Andre Ward Could Really Learn Some Class From Roman Gonzalez (A True Champ)

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  1. jm2729v

    jm2729v Active Member Full Member

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    Andre Ward went up to light heavy and fought the boogeyman after just two fights. If that's not classy, if that's not a guy reaching for greatness then I dunno man....

    People don't hate Andre because of race, they hate him because he's just nice. He's too nice to carry the sport.
     
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  2. Subak

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    How Ward is in front of the camera doesn't seem like it's all that similar to his genuine self. But that's the case for plenty of fighters and public figures. For whatever reason the guy just seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way, even before the Kovalev "robbery" nonsense. There are a lot of fighters who say and do genuinely terrible **** but get passes from fans because fans just like them.

    I agree, I had it 7-5 Chocolatito, was a terrific bout, it will be rough going for him at this weight though. Perhaps a bridge too far, but great for fans whatever happens. Wouldn't be so surprised if he loses the rematch, seems like he should need more time to recover and adjust to the weight.
     
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  3. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    You guys are stretching it a bit too far, people diss ward because he received a gift, similar to what happened to Bradley, nobody is hating on Bradley now, isn't there?
    It is true people roots for sports based on nationality and race, it is normal. But most of the discussion here is about who won the fight, and ward didn't, that's why you have a lot of outrage. Change the subject about who is ranking higher on the atg ranking and you will see a different response. Lots of black fighter or even dislike fighter got their due. Stop defending the indefensible, ward loss and as a matter of fact people who claimed it was not are actually the bias one who most of the time can not give credit to the other counterpart.
    Anyway it's all for fun, nobody is hating on ward that they want to kill him like the jihadist want to kill us.
     
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  4. ROCKLOCKridge

    ROCKLOCKridge New Member banned Full Member

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    I agree. This is rather sad. When one simply hates on Ward we can only assume they have bad motives I think. Maybe you dont like the way his career has gone. Maybe you arent in love with his style. But you should respect the guy. Ive seen guys who have done way less in the sport get crowned.
     
  5. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    They hate him because he's greedy and plays games. Sitting on the sidelines fighting with his promoter instead of sticking to the deal he'd signed, manning up, taking a couple fights, and moving on with his career was a ***** move that showed petulance and overweening pride. Then demanding a series of tune up fights instead of just getting it over with. People hate a guy who wastes their time.

    Then the way that he took advantage of Brand, only paying him 30 grand for a fight on HBO when he made 850 grand was classless. Boxing is a business and your opponents are also your partners. We expect fair business practices and equally beneficial relationships. That was predatory. It was the worst kind of fat cat abuse of power, treating people like worthless peons instead of equals or near equals just says a lot about what kind of person he is. He's like those CEOs that make a hundred million dollars while they fight to keep their workers from earning a minimum wage.

    You can say that all that matters is what happens in the ring, but for a lot of people, what the fighters do outside of the ring matters. They don't want to cheer for a scumbag. Some of us labor under the ideal that boxing is a martial art that builds character, that it's an expression of who you are as a man, and a metaphor for how you live your life. We expect champions to have honor and courage, to be champions in life as well as in the squared circle. Winning isn't everything. What it is, is a sign of the pursuit of excellence. A man who only wants to be excellent at beating people up is nothing but a bully. But if you can take the lessons you learn from athletics and apply them to the rest of your life, then that discipline, hard work, perseverance, and courage will make you a man worthy of respect.
     
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  6. Nat Turner

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    Stop rewriting history. Not only was Bradley loathed after Pac 1, he was receiving death threats and racist voicemails from Pact.a.rds.

    By the way Ward/Kovalev was not a robbery as much as you like to claim it was.
     
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  7. ROCKLOCKridge

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    Once again. You seem to be complaing about money, or deals, that the other guy had no problem accepting whatsoever. Thats strange behavior. Brand put up no fuss and was happy to take it. Same with Kovalev. So that makes Ward a scumbag?
     
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  8. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    Ok maybe a ******* will do that to Bradley but not now, also there is no such a thing as Kovtard or Kesstard, to be honest Kovalev doesn't have a fanatic base at all, most of his fight was attended by less than 1000 people. A poll before the fight suggest ward to win by around 60 to 40 percent. The poll after the fight was however 75 to 25 percent for a Kov win. I represent the 35 percent difference as I voted ward to win.
    I agree calling a robbery seems to have a big negative connotation to it, I can change the term to stole.
     
  9. Nat Turner

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    I don't give a shyt what the polls said. The polls said that Hillary was going to win the election by 11%. It was a close fight...a fact that seems not to get in that thick skull of yours.
     
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  10. Subak

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    You have an avatar of an olympic gold medalist, and world champion boxer who likely has substance abuse problems and issues with depression, dressed in fishnets and high out of his mind seemingly at a low-point in his life. Having that as an av feels in contradiction with the message of honour you are talking about here, imo.
     
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  11. ROCKLOCKridge

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    Well in all fairness. This is the same guy who thinks Ward is a scumbag because he didnt go out of his way to give Alexander Brand MORE money than Brand was happy to accept. Like I said that is strange behavior. Did it ever occur to this Ovids Exile guy that maybe Ward selected Brand because Brand was willing to accept a certain amount of money from HBO's pot that Ward was willing to give away? Does this make Ward evil? Especially after almost two years of inactivity? I dont really think so.
     
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  12. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    I do agree it was somehow a close fight, but a close fight where the outcome was never in doubt after 12, in my eyes at least at the time before the decision was read. I am glad I was not blind cause I found out majority seems to hold the same view.
    Don't get me started on the Hilary trump thing, trump won because a lot of people on the swing states supported his view , however on the pre poll those people afraid to express those view because it deemed not politically correct. But deep down they agree and did just that when it's counted. In the vote.
     
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  13. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I never claimed that I was an honorable person worthy of respect. I just claimed to like people who are.

    P.S. Let's go champ!
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  14. Nat Turner

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    No matter how you like to slice and dice it, it was a matter of close fight that could have gone either way. Far cry from "robbery" which many of you have been claiming since the past 3 weeks. To your credits you guys have stopped with the race bias and nationalistic bias accusation which was one of the cases you guys made after the fight.

    Like I said, Andre Ward is not popular with a lot of fans and I believe it interfered in how a particular segment of the boxing community saw the outcome of the fight.

    I watched the sky coverage of the fight and most of their pundits either had Ward winning or the fight a draw. The reason why I point to the sky coverage is in regards to a particular segment of boxing fans claiming that somehow their was a racial or nationalistic bias against Kovalev. Tony Bellew, Matthew Macklin, Paul Smith, Eddie Hearn are neither Black or American. Also, neither of them is affiliated with Ward, so how could they also be biased against Kovalev? What will be their motivation to see a miscarriage of justices and call it otherwise.
     
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  15. theXshape

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    Yes you did touch a nerve. I get upset when confronted by ignorance and people twisting your words for absolutely no reason at all. You know damn well I'm not talking about Ward being a criminal or anything like that. It's all boxing related and you know it. Unless you never read or watched one of his interviews in the past 4 years.

    You guys don't accept that Ward is just not liked because of his arrogance and his attittude. It HAS to be because he is HALF black. Right? There CAN'T be another reason.