Andre Ward fighting in Oakland

Do you think, really? A DQ?

You think there's a really good chance of Ward getting a DQ -- where?

Nottingham?

Don't see too many DQs. They usually occur for hitting after the bell.

Rarely seen them ever for rough tactics. OK, actually. There was Tyson. You know, when he bit Holyfield's ear off. He did get DQ'd.

So are you sure you think he'd be DQs outside of Oakland?

(Your insistence on calling Oakland "Joakland" is petty and juvenile)

 

Wards ability is not in question here so if he fights away of course he'll be the same.
What is in question is that based on his last few fights he gets away with far too many forearms, elbows and headbutts from inept refereeing due to home town cooking.

Let's assume he fights away, neutral venue, judges and ref. His opponent wins 8 clear rounds, chances are he'll get the decision. Put him in Oakland and Ward takes the fight 116-114 or worse.

For a fighter to win in Oakland they have to overcome the fact Ward gets a 2-3 round head start, it's bull**** and we all know it.

 

Is this situation unique to Oakland or would it apply to, say, Nottingham?

 

I think he'll be just as goo too. I mean, like, really goo.

...but never Euro-level :nono

 

Possibly. But Froch fights away from home plenty.

 

Froch is at least willing to fight away from home isn't he?:deal

Oh and for the record if you call the Froch - Dirrell fight a robbery or biased judging you're deluded, it was close and could have gone either way. Or maybe you forget that ring, showtime and boxingnews plus many other journalists scored it to Froch?

 

nevertheless it was in Nottingham. Lets call that +2 points for Froch. Just as in your example, right?

Lets now subtract 2 points from Froch's scorecards across the board.

Right?

OK, now lets read off the new scores.

Who won?

 

Froch.

 

Yes, he gets to cheat. Much like Froch in Nottingham with illegal tactics, criminal referee, and judges.

 

Since I, unbiased boxingnews, Showtime and Ring scored the fight for Froch I have to disagree with you and suggest the +2 for Froch in Nottingham theory is nothing but smoke and mirrors to cover the 2-3 round advantage Ward (which we all agree on based on his last fight) is obviously getting.

Two things, address the point I made about Froch willing to fight away from home (3/4 fights, and do you think Ward over uses forearms, elbows and his head?
Before you counter with Froch's rabbit punching (which is the usual counter, no offense) the answer is yes I do think it was heavy in the Dirrell fight however it wasn't used against AA or Kessler which leads to the conclusion it was down to Dirrells habit of turning away when faced with in fighting and pressure. Ward has shown his tactics in his last 3 fights.

 

You actually admit he cheats?

 

So what you're saying is Nottingham is perfectly fair, neutral, objective. No home-cooking whatever. None. But Oakland is worse than Germany.

Regarding the rabbit punches. Can I direct you to another thread? Scan the front page, look at the video and get back to me.

Or, to summarize. Froch holds Dirrell's head down with left glove and then aims directly downward with right hand.

It's not ambiguous. Check it out.

 

So you didn't watch the fight, but you agree that the ref, the boxing commission, the judges, and essentially everyother physical or implied arm of boxing are involved in a world wide conspriacy to ensure that Andre Ward fights and wins in Oakland. You are ****ing idiot for even commenting on a the scoring/officiating of a fight you didn't watch, but you immediately assume it was "the worst you've ever seen"...seems logical to me. FYI, take it from someone who actually watches fights before commenting on them, Ward beat his ass convincingly, and it wouldn't matter where the fight took place, Bika clearly lost end of discussion. Who cares what the score was, the point is that Ward clearly won, and was awarded that win.

 

First off, nowhere is worse than Germany. Secondly Nottingham, I've already pointed out Ring, Showtime and Boxingnews scored it to Froch, so how can you bring up home cooking? Obviously a home crowd can be influencial to an extent but not to the obvious bias extent Ward is recieving. May I direct you to the Jean Pascal fight that was judged fairly with no complaints from Pascals camp? Oh, and no rabbit punching either (same as AA, Kessler, Taylor):think

To directly address your point it was Dirrells frustrating tactics, I already covered that. To be more specific it was Dirrells approach that obviously pissed Froch off big time, and lead Froch to do what he did, anyways I've already said I didn't condone it, what's your point? Or would you like to continue debating a point which I agree with you on?

 

What are you gonna say if Froch beats Ward convincingly in a close fight in Oakland, suppose an 8-4 or 7-5 for mostly everyone who watched the fight, but doesn't get the win because of 120-108-Ward/Bika-like cards? I, for one, would care.