Andre Ward has the weight of America on his shoulders, can he live with it?

bailey · Oct 14, 2010

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Froch got a gift against a green Dirrell where he landed maybe 3 punches the whole night and dirrell made him look like an amatuer.
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Which is why Boxing News & THE RING MAGAZINE had Froch a winner , as you know because you own that edition , live with it, also Froch outlanded Dirrell, so it dosent matter how amateur (thats right amateur is spelt e before the u atsch) Froch looked it worked against Dirrell. I notice you kept quiet about Froch beating Pascal who beat Dawson who you raved about to me .

Ward would school Froch like the English bum he is. However Froch will probably be in the hospital for awhile after he loses to abraham.

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Im picking Froch to beat Abraham, but if he loses, at least he wasnt fighting the likes of A Green :nut. Funny though that English bum found a way of beating Dirrell (what a heart of a lion hes got ).

I mean same guy who lost to Kessler who couldnt even see. Typical English fighter if I ever saw one. :yep

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Difference is though, that Froch went to Kesslers backyard for the fight, not hiding in Jokeland, and yeah, you were one who claims you thought Froch was a clear winner , showing yourself as a right joke now, who cant decide which way your going atsch.

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bailey · Oct 14, 2010

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Well Kessler obviously isn't as sharp as he was when he fought Calzaghe due to age and long layoffs, but he is still 1 demensional. He showed some good signs vs froch but even to acknowledge that he beat froch in a tough fight and then not give ward any cred for shutting kessler out is backwards atsch.
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If you think headbutting was the reason kessler didn't come close to winning a round then you are in denial.
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You need more than your head to win. You need defense and punches landed. Ward had alot of both against kessler. To not win one round says it all:deal. You must be saying that froch sucks because the double vision kessler beat him.

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Kessler didnt lose every round on any official score card dummy. You have said it now several times and been wrong every single time. This is how rumours start atsch.
Froch is limited but the difference is Froch fought Kessler in his backyard not in Jokeland where he could be fouled

Those names you put up on kessler's resume, you already know I don't rank high so just stop with that because we will always have conflicting opinions on those guys. Froch is the only win I rank high. There are alot of hype jobs on that list if you want to compare them to the american ones you always have something to say about (haussler is the biggest joke of em all). Mundine was a hypejob, Andrande isn't good and all you need is eyes to see that.
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Beyer a 3 time WBC champ with names like Woodhall, Danny Green undefeated, the now world rated CW, Lucas etc. This shows a lack of knowledge as Beyer has arguably a better record than Froch, who you rate as a win

There were only 2 great fighters at 168 when Kess fought Calzaghe and that was kessler and Calzaghe. Nobody else was anything special. SMW was a very shallow division with little respect outside of those two at that time. Even lacy who was hyped up for being an olympian and Roy Jones friend could be seen as not that good when you really looked at him.

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When Calzaghe fought Kessler, Calzaghe had emptied the division and Kessler was considered the biggest threat. But the SMW wasnt empty its just Joe showed he was head and shoulders above the rest. But consider this Lacy whos win resume has Sheika, Pemberton, Tsypko, Manfredo, Vanderpool and Reid is arguably better than Butes is now who people rate highly now
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SportsLeader · Oct 14, 2010

bailey said: ↑

Which is why Boxing News & THE RING MAGAZINE had Froch a winner , as you know because you own that edition , live with it, also Froch outlanded Dirrell, so it dosent matter how amateur (thats right amateur is spelt e before the u atsch) Froch looked it worked against Dirrell. I notice you kept quiet about Froch beating Pascal who beat Dawson who you raved about to me .

Im picking Froch to beat Abraham, but if he loses, at least he wasnt fighting the likes of A Green :nut. Funny though that English bum found a way of beating Dirrell (what a heart of a lion hes got ).

Difference is though, that Froch went to Kesslers backyard for the fight, not hiding in Jokeland, and yeah, you were one who claims you thought Froch was a clear winner , showing yourself as a right joke now, who cant decide which way your going atsch.

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Bailey, you are a ***** 99% of the time, but that was a ****ing good post :good
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bailey · Oct 14, 2010

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Then what do you feel about Froch hittin dirrell behind the head with more than 50 shots in thier fight? I know what you are gonna say. You will say it was ok because dirrell wasn't giving him a chance with his moving and holding. Dirty is dirty so save the double standard because froch's dirty tactics in that fight were flat out dirty out of fustration for not being able to hit someone who could hit him. No gameplan to expose a weakness. Just fustration for being hit and not able to hit someone that gifted.
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Dirrell was ducking below the belt illegally which often causes punches behind the head to happen.
Just a note Froch outlanded Dirrell atsch

MichiganWarrior · Oct 14, 2010

bailey said: ↑

Which is why Boxing News & THE RING MAGAZINE had Froch a winner , as you know because you own that edition ,
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Ring Magazine admitted in several articles that Froch got a gift and the ref had to invent rules so Froch could score points. Like body slams.

live with it, also Froch outlanded Dirrell,
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There was no compubox taken on the night of the fight clown. Hey we can settle this debate right now you limey *****. Post your scorecard coward. :yep

I notice you kept quiet about Froch beating Pascal who beat Dawson who you raved about to me .
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Pascal was most likely weight drained he was schooling Froch for the first 5 rounds and got tired. If they fought again Pascal wins easy. Dawson would obliterate a fighter like Froch.

Im picking Froch to beat Abraham,
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Bad idea. Not only does Froch have natural limitations due to his Englishness, but he is also fighting a German. Germany always whips Englands ass.

Difference is though, that Froch went to Kesslers backyard for the fight, not hiding in Jokeland, and yeah, you were one who claims you thought Froch was a clear winner ,
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I thought Froch won. But Kesslers not that good of a fighter and still couldnt see. Ward completely schooled Kessler.

Just face it, Froch is the weakest fighter in the super Six. England just isnt a boxing nation. You guys are good at getting drunk and playing snooker.
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bailey · Oct 14, 2010

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Bailey, you are a ***** 99% of the time, but that was a ****ing good post :good
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From you thats a compliment, and besides, All my posts are ****ing good,
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bailey · Oct 14, 2010

MichiganWarrior said: ↑

Ring Magazine admitted in several articles that Froch got a gift and the ref had to invent rules so Froch could score points. Like body slams.

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You know the Rings fight scorecard and Boxing News official scorecard scored for Froch , live with it and you know it

There was no compubox taken on the night of the fight clown. Hey we can settle this debate right now you limey *****. Post your scorecard coward. :yep
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It dosent matter what scorecard people post, and I cant be bothered to watch that boring fight again, you see, I dont care who you think won, because the right man got the decision (ie the one who outlanded the other, landed more and pressed the fight), which was Froch, as reflected by The Ring & Boxing News scorecard.

Pascal was most likely weight drained he was schooling Froch for the first 5 rounds and got tired. If they fought again Pascal wins easy. Dawson would obliterate a fighter like Froch.

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Yeah most likely atsch and what was Dawsons excuse, you know the guy you raved about. How silly will you look if Hopkins beats Froch with the way you said Dawson would handle Hopkins, who lost to Calzaghe.

Bad idea. Not only does Froch have natural limitations due to his Englishness, but he is also fighting a German. Germany always whips Englands ass.

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What like when Veit lost to Calzaghe or when 3 time WBC champ Beyer lost to half English Kessler or when Eubank went to Germany and beat undefeated Rocchigiani..? No I think your getting mixed up it must be Americans losing to Germans like
Nunn to Rocchigiani
Taylor to Abraham
M Griffin to Michalczewski
Or V Hill to an out of action Maske
Or the series of American HWs losing in Germany

I thought Froch won. But Kesslers not that good of a fighter and still couldnt see. Ward completely schooled Kessler.

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Once again forgotten that it was in Jokeland, with illegal headbutting, not on Kesslers home patch

Just face it, Froch is the weakest fighter in the super Six. England just isnt a boxing nation. You guys are good at getting drunk and playing snooker.

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Yet Froch still beat Taylor, Dirrell and Pascal atsch.
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MichiganWarrior · Oct 14, 2010

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You know the Rings fight scorecard and Boxing News official scorecard scored for Froch , live with it and you know it
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If Ring Magazine scored it for Froch then why did they have several articles saying Dirrell was robbed? Why did one writer say they needed to change the rules for Froch?

It dosent matter what scorecard people post,
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I dont care what other people post. I want your bitchass to post a scorecard. Show me what 6 rounds you think Caveman Froch won.

and what was Dawsons excuse, you know the guy you raved about.
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Dawsons just dumb. In the final rounds it was clear Dawson would and should have destroyed Pascal. He just doesnt do well against guys that dont press the action.

What like when Veit lost to Calzaghe or when 3 time WBC champ Beyer lost to half English Kessler or when Eubank went to Germany and beat undefeated Rocchigiani..?
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I have no idea what you are talking about here? Germany is a better sports nation then BRitain. Look at their world cups and current boxing champions and look at yours.

Nunn to Rocchigiani
Taylor to Abraham
M Griffin to Michalczewski
Or V Hill to an out of action Maske
Or the series of American HWs losing in Germany
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Or Dirrell beating Abraham. Who is going to spark Froch. :yep

Yet Froch still beat Taylor, Dirrell and Pascal atsch.
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Taylor lost to Winky Wright. Dirrell was robbed. Pascal was weight drained. What are you struggling with here limey.

Froch lost to a blind guy who Ward schooled. :rofl
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lastletter26 · Oct 14, 2010

bailey said: ↑

Dirrell was ducking below the belt illegally which often causes punches behind the head to happen.
Just a note Froch outlanded Dirrell atsch
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I guess you answered my question without answering it. You think it was ok for froch to hit him 50+ times behind the head.:deal I understand why froch did it but I just want you to say it's OK for him to do it in that situation.

As for your BS punch stat reference. Punchstats are only used in an arguement when it's convienient for the purpose of one's arguement. Besides 5 or 6 shots from, the only CLEAN, BLATANT, HEAD SNAPPING power shots were landed by dirrell. They were pretty equal with thier jabs. People say numbers don't lie but those numbers lied. Compubox and punchstats have lied in countless other fights. Put stock in that all you want but it's BS. Your eyes know the truth about who hit who cleanly regardless of how either of them were fighting.

realsoulja · Oct 14, 2010

Dirrell is a *****

bailey · Oct 14, 2010

MichiganWarrior said: ↑

If Ring Magazine scored it for Froch then why did they have several articles saying Dirrell was robbed? Why did one writer say they needed to change the rules for Froch?

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Any individual writer can write what they want, but as you well know the official report from The Ring and Boxing News both had Froch as the winner. In your way of thinking why did they score for Froch?... Because they felt he won, as did 2 of the 3 judges .
Live with it, though I expect you have ripped out those pages from that edition of The Ring magazine.
It could also be noted about Dirrells ducking below the belt line and constant holding

I dont care what other people post. I want your bitchass to post a scorecard. Show me what 6 rounds you think Caveman Froch won.

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You dont get it do you? I dont care to watch that boring fight again any time soon. I dont dance to your beat. If I choose to watch that fight again (and it wont be tonight), I will humour you and post a score if I remember, but when all said and done, it makes no odds because the right man won. The man that landed the most, made the fight and won as agreed by the official journalist reprts.

Dawsons just dumb. In the final rounds it was clear Dawson would and should have destroyed Pascal. He just doesnt do well against guys that dont press the action.

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atsch Oh well that just shows you were right in your praise of him all along. If only Pascal had of pressed the action to suit Dawson, then Dawson would have won . You dont seem to acknowledge that if Plan A wasnt working for Dawson, then to try something different. No obviously not. Instead Dawson, lost to Pascal who like Dirrell lost to Froch who you discredit

I have no idea what you are talking about here? Germany is a better sports nation then BRitain. Look at their world cups and current boxing champions and look at yours.

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Germany are also overall looking Stronger on the Boxing front than America as well, from MW up
I posted facts on boxing matches, and the best you could do was post back one result of a SMW beating a former MW champ by DQ, in a home fight, against a guy with limited SMW resume and no big name MW wins :-(.
Weak. Yet I posted you genuine results against even size fighters

Or Dirrell beating Abraham. Who is going to spark Froch.

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Even if Abraham does beat Froch, its not retribution for Dirrell. Live with that, and if it does happen Abraham can claim a KO over Froch and Dirrell

Taylor lost to Winky Wright. Dirrell was robbed. Pascal was weight drained. What are you struggling with here limey.

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Taylor - Wright is debateable, but Taylor clearly lost to Pavlik, but was also clearly beaten by Froch :smoke.
So Pascal hasnt said he was weight drained, until after he lost :nut. If that were true why hadnt Pascal moved up earlier? He wasnt the next in line after Froch for a title shot. The fight only happend because Taylor chose to fight Lacy instead of Froch for a world title, so Pascal wasnt even next in line.
What was your excuse for Dawson again?

Froch lost to a blind guy who Ward schooled.
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That you scored for Froch . Forgetting again that it was also in Kesslers backyard where Froch fought him and not in Jokeland, where you can use the head to cheat
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bailey · Oct 14, 2010

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I guess you answered my question without answering it. You think it was ok for froch to hit him 50+ times behind the head.:deal I understand why froch did it but I just want you to say it's OK for him to do it in that situation.
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You see, when people cant debate they start making up lies and changing what was written (a sign of weakness), because I wrote 'Dirrell was ducking below the belt illegally which often punches behind the head to happen' Now liar thats not me writing something is OK is it? So dont try and say what I think.
As you cant understand lets make it easier for you. Fighters often aim for head shots, wherever the head is. If a fighters head is below the belt it will get aimed for, which can cause shots behind the head to happen. But remember the head shouldnt be ducked below the belt as thats also illegal. Get it now?

As for your BS punch stat reference. Punchstats are only used in an arguement when it's convienient for the purpose of one's arguement. Besides 5 or 6 shots from, the only CLEAN, BLATANT, HEAD SNAPPING power shots were landed by dirrell. They were pretty equal with thier jabs. People say numbers don't lie but those numbers lied. Compubox and punchstats have lied in countless other fights. Put stock in that all you want but it's BS. Your eyes know the truth about who hit who cleanly regardless of how either of them were fighting.

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OK so the punchstats for Froch - Dirrell were all wrong in your opinion atsch, and the fact that The Ring magazine & Boxing News both scored for Froch was a misprint then atsch was it? Of course it wasnt, they scored for who they thought won, and that was Froch :smoke. You also fail to mention Dirrells constant illegal holding, but are you going to try and say that was OK? :hi:
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HEADBANGER · Oct 14, 2010

jokeland

bailey · Oct 14, 2010

HEADBANGER said: ↑

jokeland
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It appears that our work here is almost complete. Minions have been devastatingly Pwned to oblivion, and facts corrected :deal
We have taken into account all facts fairly in diagnosing Wards credentials, how he has performed so far and the hype surrounding him.

Its fair to say that Ward has been greatly over hyped for beating an unwell double visioned fighter (Kessler) and A Green.

I think its a fair assessment to say that the list is growing and soon to read -

Lacy
Taylor
Pavlik
Dirrell
Dawson
Tarver
Ward

atriot

HEADBANGER · Oct 14, 2010

bailey said: ↑

It appears that our work here is almost complete. Minions have been devastatingly Pwned to oblivion, and facts corrected :deal
We have taken into account all facts fairly in diagnosing Wards credentials, how he has performed so far and the hype surrounding him.

Its fair to say that Ward has been greatly over hyped for beating an unwell double visioned fighter (Kessler) and A Green.

I think its a fair assessment to say that the list is growing and soon to read -

Lacy
Taylor
Pavlik
Dirrell
Dawson
Tarver
Ward

atriot
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what a truely outstanding summary of this thread

minnions mercilessly mauled in a scorching blaze of irrefutable scientific facts :vonnecunt

elite posters triumphantly prove that andre ward has been hyped well beyond his means and his ludicurous top 5 p4p ranking and that he won't be able to live with carrying the weight of america on his fragile glass shoulders :deal

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