Andre Ward is noticeably bigger than Paul Smith

I would be truly crestfallen to not get have the opportunity to engage with a level-headed poster like STB in the future!

 

183 vs ambler

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=182945&cat=boxer

 

He's never fought at 154 in his entire career!

I think you're getting him mixed up.

The lightest he ever weighed was 159

He's weighed at Lhw 8 times in fact

He weighed 166 on his debut

 

They should've put this on the Porter Broner undercard.

 

I am not seeing weights listed anywhere on that page. It is simply linking me to Paul's main boxrec page. Perhaps it's user error caused by my lack of knowledge of how to properly navigate boxrec. If so, please explain how I would see the weight for that fight.

 

You need to be logged in to see the weights.

http://prntscr.com/7imvhc

 

"Give me the biggest pair of shoes you can find" - Andre Ward

 

Cheers for the info! I just registered an account with boxrec but it takes a while for the account to be activated. Could you possibly post a link that shows the full page with all of Paul's weights if it exists. I have several sources that conflict with that weight for the Ambler fight as well as the claim that Paul only fought 5 times at 160 or below.

 

Larry and Curly running wild on this thread. All they need is Moe ( Boxing Disaster ) and it's a wrap. Dumb shiit running wild.

 

http://i.imgur.com/baFcORu.png

Mind the warning on the bottom though
"this data may be incomplete and/or inaccurate"

 

On boxrec, you have to sign up to see weights.

Used to be that you could see them without signing up but now you have to be a member. It only takes a couple of minutes

 

date Lb opponent Lb W-L-D last 6 location
2015-02-21 165½ Arthur Abraham 167¾ 41-4-0
O2 World Arena, Kreuzberg, Berlin, Germany L UD 12 12
referee: Raul Caiz Sr | judge: Glenn Feldman 112-116 | judge: Gerardo Martinez 111-117 | judge: Robin Taylor 111-117
WBO World super middleweight title (supervisor: Istvan Kovacs)
2014-09-27 167¼ Arthur Abraham 168 40-4-0
Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany L UD 12 12
referee: Robert Byrd | judge: Waleska Roldan 111-117 | judge: Fernando Laguna 109-119 | judge: Zoltan Enyedi 111-117
WBO World super middleweight title (supervisor: Istvan Kovacs)
2014-05-17 171¾ David Sarabia 170¼ 7-3-2
Motorpoint Arena, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 2 8x3
time: 1:17 | referee: Clarke Joslyn
2013-12-14 183 Jamie Ambler 170 10-52-2
ExCel Arena, Dockland, London, United Kingdom W PTS 6 6x3
referee: Richard James Davies 60-54
2013-06-29 167¾ Tony Dodson 165¾ 29-7-1
Bolton Arena, Bolton, Lancashire, United Kingdom W TKO 6 12x3
time: 2:31 | referee: Richard James Davies | judge: Phil Edwards | judge: Steve Gray | judge: Dave Parris
vacant BBBofC British super middleweight title
2012-11-09 175 Tommy Tolan 171 4-12-1
Olympia, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W RTD 4 6x3
time: 3:00 | referee: Mark Lyson
Tolan, given a count in the 1st round, was cut above the right eye in the 4th.
2011-11-05 167¾ George Groves 167¾ 13-0-0
Wembley Arena, Wembley, London, United Kingdom L TKO 2 12x3
time: 1:18 | referee: Victor Loughlin | judge: Howard John Foster | judge: Phil Edwards | judge: Terry O'Connor
BBBofC British super middleweight title
Commonwealth (British Empire) super middleweight title
Smith down twice in the second round
2011-09-17 166 Paul Samuels 162½ 21-9-2
Olympia, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W TKO 1 8x3
time: 2:22 | referee: Phil Edwards
2011-05-21 167¾ Jozsef Matolcsi 162½ 29-15-0
O2 Arena (Millenium Dome), Greenwich, London, United Kingdom W KO 1 8x3
time: 0:58 | referee: Richard James Davies
2010-12-11 167½ James DeGale 166 8-0-0
Echo Arena, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom L TKO 9 12x3
time: 2:08 | referee: Howard John Foster | judge: Phil Edwards | judge: Terry O'Connor | judge: Dave Parris
BBBofC British super middleweight title
Smith cut on the right eyebrow in the 4th round after a head clash.
2010-03-12 167½ Tony Dodson 167¼ 24-5-1
Echo Arena, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W UD 12 12x3
referee: Phil Edwards | judge: Victor Loughlin 117-112 | judge: Howard John Foster 116-111 | judge: Marcus McDonnell 115-112
BBBofC British super middleweight title
Smith cut on left eyelid in the 1st round and beside the same eye in the 2nd (both head clashes) he survives an inspection mid-way through the 4th. Dodson (cut on the left eyebrow) loses a point in the 10th for holding.
2009-10-30 168 Tony Quigley 167¼ 13-1-0
Echo Arena, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W SD 12 12x3
referee: Richard James Davies | judge: Phil Edwards 114-116 | judge: Howard John Foster 116-113 | judge: Ian John-Lewis 116-112
BBBofC British super middleweight title
2009-07-18 170¾ Michal Bilak 171½ 19-8-0
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W PTS 8 8x3
referee: Phil Edwards 79-74
2009-03-14 167½ Rashid Matumla 164 39-10-1
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W TKO 2 12x3
time: 2:35 | referee: Jose Ignacio Martinez | judge: John Coyle | judge: Terry O'Connor | judge: Dave Parris
vacant WBA International super middleweight title
2008-12-12 169½ Ciaran Healy 167¼ 9-9-1
Kingsway Leisure Centre, Widnes, Cheshire, United Kingdom W PTS 6 6x3
referee: Howard John Foster 60-53
2008-09-06 166¼ Danny Thornton 165¾ 25-13-3
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W KO 6 8x3
time: 2:50 | referee: Phil Edwards
2008-06-21 159½ Steven Bendall 160 28-4-0
National Indoor Arena, Birmingham, West Midlands, United Kingdom L PTS 10 10x3
referee: Mark Green 94-96
BBBofC English middleweight title
British Middleweight Title Eliminator
2008-03-08 159¾ Cello Renda 159 14-5-1
O2 Arena (Millenium Dome), Greenwich, London, United Kingdom W TKO 6 10x3
time: 1:55 | referee: Marcus McDonnell
vacant BBBofC English middleweight title
2007-12-08 166¾ Francis Cheka 165 13-3-1
Bolton Arena, Bolton, Lancashire, United Kingdom W PTS 8 8x3
referee: Mickey Vann 79-74
2007-10-09 168 David Banks 167 14-2-1
Contender Arena, Los Angeles, California, USA W SD 5 5
referee: Pat Russell | judge: Raul Caiz Sr 48-47 | judge: Fritz Werner 48-47 | judge: Max DeLuca 46-49
screened on TV as part of "The Contender" show, actual date of fight unknown
2007-03-30 159¾ Jonathan Reid 157½ 34-5-0
Metro Radio Arena, Newcastle, Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom W TKO 7 8x3
time: 1:21 | referee: Victor Loughlin | judge: Howard John Foster 68-64 | judge: Jack Reiss 68-64 | judge: Pat Russell 69-65
2007-03-10 160 Alexander Polizzi 158½ 24-10-3
Olympia, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W TKO 8 12x3
referee: Mickey Vann
Vacant WBU International Middleweight Title
2006-11-18 166¼ Ryan Walls 168 12-4-0
Newport Centre, Newport, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 4 8x3
time: 2:48 | referee: Wynford Jones
2006-10-14 159½ Dean Walker 158½ 11-9-1
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W TKO 3 10x3
time: 2:49 | referee: Phil Edwards
vacant BBBofC Central Area middleweight title
2006-06-01 164 Conroy McIntosh 163 6-15-3
Metrodome, Barnsley, Yorkshire, United Kingdom W PTS 8 8x3
referee: Kevin Durand 77-76
2006-03-11 166½ Hussain Osman 162 13-10-0
Newport Centre, Newport, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 4 6x3
time: 2:00 | referee: Dai Morgan
2005-06-03 162½ Simeon Cover 166 13-22-2
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W PTS 6 6x3
referee: Steve Gray 60-56
2005-02-11 164½ Rob Burton 167 10-8-2
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W KO 1 6x3
time: 1:54 | referee: Keith Garner
2004-12-17 172 Howard Clarke 164 27-52-2
Everton Park Sports Centre, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W KO 1 6x3
time: 2:11 | referee: Steve Gray
2004-10-01 160 Jason Collins 159 14-30-6
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W TKO 1 6x3
time: 1:42 | referee: Keith Garner
2004-09-10 168 Ojay Abrahams 168 20-56-4
Everton Park Sports Centre, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W PTS 4 4x3
referee: Chris Kelly 40-36
2004-06-12 170 Steve Timms 173 8-4-1
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W TKO 1 6x3
time: 2:57 | referee: Chris Kelly
2004-04-03 170¾ Howard Clarke 166 27-42-2
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W PTS 4 4x3
referee: Chris Kelly 40-36
2004-02-26 169 Davy Jones 163¼ 6-1-0
Kingsway Leisure Centre, Widnes, Cheshire, United Kingdom W PTS 4 4x3
referee: Chris Kelly 40-37
2003-12-13 159½ Joel Ani 154 5-12-1
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W PTS 4 4x3
referee: Phil Edwards 40-35
2003-10-02 163 Mike Duffield 164½ 9-20-1
Everton Park Sports Centre, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W TKO 1 4x3
time: 2:41 | referee: Keith Garner
2003-08-29 167 Patrick Cito 167¾ 7-12-1
Everton Park Sports Centre, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W PTS 4 4x3
referee: Chris Kelly 40-37
2003-06-20 159½ Silver Fox 160½ 1-3-0
Everton Park Sports Centre, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom W TKO 2 4x3
time: 2:40 | referee: Chris Kelly
2003-05-08 161¼ Andrey Ivanov 157 3-6-2
Kingsway Leisure Centre, Widnes, Cheshire, United Kingdom W TKO 2 4x3
time: 1:00 | referee: Chris Kelly
2003-04-05 166 Howard Clarke 166 27-35-2
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W PTS 4 4x3
referee: Phil Edwards 40-36

 

^^ Thats a bit sloppy I know, but you can make out the weights, of you look through the clutter

Full breakdown is

23 SMW
8 LHW
6 MW
1 CW

 

Anything between 155-160 is MW.
Anything between 161-168 is SMW
Anything between 169-174 is LHW
Anything between 175-200 is CW
Anything N of 200 is HW.

We wont play semantics with the 160 1/2's or the 168 1/2s.

Smith has fought 24 times as a SMW. While many of those wieghts are far below the 168 limit, it's still technically a SMW bout.

8X as a MW.

6X as a LHW

And 2X as a CW.

I maintain he is a SMW, although like most JOURNEYMAN, he fights who he can, where he can, at whatever weight they wish.:good

Ward had a few dozen AM fights at LHW. And won most all of em. He rarely lost fighting at his KID wieght.

When he turned pro he played the weight game fighting below his natural weight like most pros do using their size and good draining techniques to beat on smaller guys while padding a record.

Not many DARE to fight at their natural weight.

Hell, FMJ could still fight at 140. Manny at 135. Both fairly easily. And even at this advanced age, those two p4p ATGs would likely win titles in those divisions and possibly lock em down.

They both moved far above their natural weight.

Both campaigning at LMW against some of the toughest names in the division.

How Fraud is anywhere near them p4p when he wont fight even a decent guy at a lower wieght, or a solid guy at his natural weight.....:huh:huh:huh

His claim to fame is the sole doing of his RIP manager who kept Lucian Bute from the S6 because Ward, Ward himself said, if Butes in, Im out.

Then, Ward used Butes ban from the tournament as an excuse to duck him after the tournament and hit the lottery when Bute got deer in the headlights in the UK.

Luckily there was a cornered dog waiting for Bute in UK. Cuz if that dog was timid, he'd have lost and Ward would have been ran from the division.:good

 

Wait, if MOST guys weight drain, then how is he beating on smaller guys?

If MOST guys weight drain(and they do), then arent the guy he's been fighting just doing the exact same as he is?? And therefore, probably not smaller?