Andre Ward made 6 TITLE Defenses in nearly 6 years. Sven Ottke Made 21 in 5 and 1/2

he hasn't claimed all euros are cave beasts, just the euros who are cave beasts.

why are you choosing not to see that?

"white" does not in any way mean "just euro". Whites are all over the world, and you know it.



but I can see you aren't convinced by your own argument anyway, because you need to add this to support it -

- SO once again please state where BC has said froch and Kessler are eurobums - this is after all the basis of your argument against me, and without it, you have no basis. You need to find it.

 

Now you are arguing on semantics because you lost the debate and you know it. If someone refers to a fighter as "white hype" it is because he thinks that the certain fighter is white and not good, no substance, just hype. If someone calls a fighter a "eurobum" it is because he thinks the certain fighter is European and not good. The emphasis is on being not good, before you would come up again with "white and European are not the same" which is a totally useless statement and bears no relevance on the debate. Blackclouds called Froch a white hype because he thinks negatively of him. If you weren't autistic, you would understand this and would STFU.

 

Lol @ the butthurt. Who's even talking about Sven Ottke outside of this thread? Ottke can only blame himself for his (lack of) a legacy.

 

That wasnt prime Ottke. He was at the end of his career in that fight.
Look at the rest of Ottkes career and its very impressive.

Consider Frochs semi final fight was a tough Mdec win over a faded boiled down G Johnson, who was a fighter Ottke beat when a prime SMW.

Look at the KO Ottke scored over Mundine who has had a good career.

Just look at the names on Ottke resume and there is no disputing that it is impressive

 

Ottke has a good legacy

The ATGs thread Pt 1 Sven Ottke

Sven Ottke should be appreciated more than he is, in my opinion.
Read on...

1. It was only Ottkes 13th fight when he won a world title

Consider how A Ward is raved about. Ward has had 24 fights, by this time Ottke had made 11 defences.
If Johnson beats Froch he will be in the S6 finals and if Ward was to beat Johnson it would be considered a big win, but Ottke beat Johnson at SMW back in 99.

2. Ottke made 21 title defences and was a winner of 22 world title fights

Consider how Hopkins MW reign is thought to be special yet Ottke had more SMW title victories than Hopkins had MW victories and overall fought better opposition

3. Ottkes reign was impressive when you consider he wasnt a puncher and didnt have an equalizer in his fists.

Look at who Ottke beat

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the then IBF SMW champ for the title, beaten twice

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who went on to become the Ring & IBF LHW champ

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who went on to become the WBA LHW champ

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who went on to become the 2 time WBA SMW champ

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the then WBA SMW champ and 2 time WBA champ

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the former WBC SMW champ and still world class

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the former WBO MW champ (a smaller fighter)

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world class who went on to become European champ

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He won't find it and he'd be dead wrong, though it makes me laugh about somebody going through my posts like that. Little does he know that I'm also a fan of the Klitschkos (both of them) and is always watching euro cards when I can. A Black supremacist, , some of you are beyond silly.

 

Ring Magazine 1999 top 10 SMWs

Sven Ottke
Joe Calzaghe
Byron Mitchell
Markus Beyer
Charles Brewer
Thomas Tate
Frankie Liles
Richie Woodhall
Robin Reid
Glenn Catley

Ottke beat 4 of the 9. He also beat Mads Larsn and James Butler who were ranked top 10 in the next years and Anthony Mundine too who was a top 3 SMW for several years. So lack of legacy my ass.

 

Lies. Only a black supremacist would refer to whites as cave beasts. That shyt goes back to the Nation of Islam that also believe that white people are a race of devils that lived in caves after they were created by Yakub, a "big head" scientist who lived 6600 years ago. This isn't a joke albeit it does sound like one. Read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)

 

You know what's even crazier?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuwaubian_Nation

They're like the militant black equivalent of the Mormons (or Scientologists, in terms of sheer whack-o factor)

Whichever they aren't, Rastafarianism is. Those dudes are NUTS, mon. :rasta

 

I understand you are looking at just results but the fights themselves should also be mentioned.
Beyer had a great start against Woodhall, but the result was in the balance at the end with Woodhalls stronger finish in which Beyer had to hold on to last.
Beyers first win over Green was a DQ after Beyer had been put down and looked like he may have been stopped, though Beyer was impressive in the return in outboxing Green.
When Starie lost to Thysse it should be noted that Starie was clearly winning and dominating before altitude affected him. It reminded me of how Wlad suddenly faded when he lost to Brewster, only Starie got through the fight.
I wouldnt have Beyer above Kessler but do rate Beyer

How do you rate Catley with KO wins over Beyer and Lucas and looking to have the beating of undefeated Haussler and R Woodhall

 

I could see an arguement for having Park over Froch. Not sure about over Benn or Kessler but possible

 

I did a thread some time back where I mentioned Mitchell could have been the best American SMW of the 00s with beating F Liles, drawing with Girard, twice beating future SMW champ Siaca, beating Green who had beaten Joppy and pushing Ottke in a close fight. Mitchell was only ever beaten clearly once at SMW and that was against Calzaghe

 

Kessler would like to fight Ottke after his win against Siaca, but Ottke maked his retirement. Mads L****n had a close fight vs Ottke, but what else on his record list? A few wins in 12 rounds fight, but otherwise only 8 rounds fights leading up to the Ottke fight. Trust me - Mads L****n at his prime wouldn't stand a chance against Kessler or Ward. Not a chance.

Kessler outboxed Siaca to become world champion through 6 or 7? rounds before Siaca retired in the corner. Only Kessler defeat in his prime was against he best SMW of all time Calzaghe. And i don't see Ottke having any chance even at prime vs Calzaghe either.

Kranjic was a world champion for 4 fights, and only boxed 6 12 rounds rights. Starie went 12 rounds with Calzaghe, but lost allmost every round. And Starie had a good chin.

I don't rate Byron higher than Kessler, Ward or Froch. He was outboxed vs Liles and won by a TKO. He won by a TKO in 12th round vs Siaca, but was down on the scorecards - he then won the next fight on a SD. For me it's a joke to rate him higher than Froch.