Andre Ward Signs for RocNation

and when is it going to sink in with you that froch was up for a rematch but ward's career stalled? he wants chavez because he's ppv, as ward woulda been had he been fighting.


besides, ward has at different times said he was and was not prepared to fight froch in england. you have to accept sometimes, people just say things. like ward, especially when froch is in the news.

 

14 months of not fighting when he was with Goossen says otherwise. We've seen time and time again fighters saying one thing and the opposite being true. He would have fought or had at least something looking promising. Nothing was ever close to coming to fruition regarding him fighting.

 

not sure why you keep banging on about businessmen when i've suggested nothing that's bad for business. the fact you reckon froch in england makes the same as ggg in the states demonstrates you aren't 1, outside of the fact ggg won't go to 168 anytime soon.

you seem to forget froch is a fighter too, and while after last night's announcement it seems unlikely, #1smw at the city ground is a tempting carrot. froch knows the game, i heard a joint interview on the radio where he was trying to entice calzaghe out of retirement.

as for ward, froch has been the man who has carried the momentum at 168 in his absence, no better way to announce his return than to beat froch away. he could tuneup, maybe even on the froch chavez undercard then if there's long enough look to rematch the end of the summer.

getting outpointed by a massive talent in your last fight is hardly a risk. although their fight wasn't spectacular, ward was impressive. i'd go and i'd fancy ward to win again. why would you not want it? you could come and watch ward, for crying out loud!

 

Do you at least admit that he now doesn't want the fight??

This isn't new by the way. His promoter has been saying what Froch said last night for a couple of years.

Ive been saying the whole time that Froch didn't want to fight because Ward was too high risk and too low reward and you attacked me for saying it, saying that I was implying that "Froch was ducking"

You constantly denied it saying "If Ward would call him out at ringside, they'd fight in Nottingham"

Do you finally admit that I was right in what I said? Now that Froch has essentially said word for word what Ive been saying??

I never said Froch was ducking, I simply said, it was bad business on Frochs behalf to fight Ward. Ward would probably beat him and Froch wouldn't make big money off it.

"Professional boxing is a business first and foremost, let’s not forget that,’ said Froch. ‘People talk about Andre Ward, but I don’t want to fight him, he’ll probably beat me on points.
‘I’m a fighter and if I didn’t knock him out he’d beat me on points.
‘He’s not a big fight. American TV don’t want to show him on Box Office. So what’s the point?’"
-Carl Froch

That is what Ive been saying almost word for word!

Do you finally agree I was right??

 

interesting article, 1st time he's sounded like he's not retiring post-chavez. also sounds like eddie's got in his ear about another all-england money-spinner!

 

Simple business.

Every fighter looks at a fight as a risk/reward ratio.

Ward brings way too high of a risk, to make the reward look attractive.

Its nice to think that guys want to fight for legacy or to avenge losses, but those days are long gone.

These guys are business men, and with the risk they take getting in the ring, you cant blame them

 

listen up stb. that's the 1st time he's unequivically said he doesn't want ward. i've said all along the rematch woulda happened had ward's career not stalled. on another thread you trotted out the "froch wants no part of ward" line, which is pretty much accusing him of a duck, when ward wasn't even fighting.

i said if ward calls him out at ringside, he MIGHT fight him. don't put words in my mouth. and i stand by that. unlikely, but he might. he's a fighter, not a joke like your boy quillin.

the only part you have absolutely spot on is that ward is low reward, and he shouldn't be. if he weren't, you bet froch takes his shot, especially when getting outpointed is the very worst that can happen.

 

you keep getting it the wrong way round, ward just ain't much of a reward. shame, but he didn't build on what he had.

as far as legacy, froch ain't done bad, but he's still a fighter and proud.

 

that last part illustrates my point. froch is valuable to ward, but as you say, he's on his way out. worth reading the daily mail article stb linked.

 

But he IS a business man. Something a lot of other fighters get derided for. Not by me, because I can see their reasoning.
If it was simply about legacy and all that other stuff, you would have thought that Froch would have done everything he could to get a rematch.
But like I said, Ive understood for ages why Froch wasn't going to fight Ward, and Im just glad now,Ill no longer be attacked for claiming that Froch is a "ducker"

Its always nice when the guy comes out and says what you've been saying word for word!

I wasn't even that pumped to see Froch-Ward 2 anyway, as Id seen it once and didn't see much point in a rematch.

Onwards and upwards. Hopefully Ward gets back in the ring soon. Hope to see the big fights against Kovalev and GGG come to fruition.

 

I will advise you to end this debate with antonio plaisir. Enough evidence have been provided by you, I and other posters showing Froch and his promoter making it very clear that they're not interested in a Ward bout, but homie remains adamant against the obvious.
Move on, you can't change his mind.

 

I wouldn't consider it ducking he already fought Ward and lost. Ward was supposed to move onto bigger and better things like LHW but he didn't and Froch took over SMW for it and would have if Ward moved up anyway. You can't duck somebody you already fought period. Froch just knows who the better fighter is and is happy being number 2 there's a difference. I want Ward to go on to do the things he was supposed to do after the Super 6 not a retread of old fights. He wants to establish himself again ok there's both Dirrels, maybe school Bute for fun, whatever styles make fights so let's see some variety.

 

I wouldn't mind Andre Ward vs TBA on the Wlad vs Jennings undercard if that fight still gets made. That would be a show with going to.