Andre Ward vs Gennady Golovkin: At 164(catchweight) or 168?

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  1. Moanamchara

    Moanamchara Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree. GGG has been fighting around 170-172 and his camp pushing that line of everyone ducking him between 154-168 when it isn't true obviously if he won't fight Ward at 168. If he is wary of Ward coming in too heavy then ask for a rehydration weight limit that is reasonable. As for Ward who knows if he can make 168 nevermind 164.
     
  2. Archie_Moore

    Archie_Moore ALL TIME KO KING Full Member

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    Point one - you compared Molina to Adonis Stevenson... That fair or not

    Point 2 - you discredit Kovalev on many aspects, one of which being his "chin"... Why? Oh because he's been knocked down by less than A competition

    Those are all things you've said, those are all points you've made... Yet you defend Wilder...

    This is not Rocket Science MVC... This isn't hard to evaluate.
     
  3. MVC!

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    Never compared them. Simply named the first opponent off the top of my head. You are reaching.

    2. He's shown to have less than average punch resistance. Amateurs and pro. Just speaking the truth.

    3. Wilder proved his chin against a big puncher in Stiverne. Kovalev has not. That's the difference.

    Try again
     
  4. theanatolian

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    Don't remember you saying that. A nyway loeffler said if the fight happens this fall, It should be at 164, he didn't say they'll never move up to 168. Also there's a good chance Ward makes 175 a lot easier then GGG makes 168.
     
  5. Archie_Moore

    Archie_Moore ALL TIME KO KING Full Member

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    You compared Wilder vs Molina as a "potential" Kovalev vs Stevenson... Those are not the same... That's like me saying "give Wilder credit, after all he did well just like Kovalev did vs Hopkins).. Except you've never said that, because the comparison is ridiculous.

    Wilder has shown as much a vulnerable beard as Kovalev, except against worst competition. Yet you always make excuses for Wilder, no excuses here for Kovalev, I think hes a great fighter but he'll get caught eventually.

    Wilder has "proven" only against Stivern, who didn't really land anything significant, now I won't discredit Wilder for that. He deserves credit for that fight.

    Kovalev took some absolute bombs from Pascal however, yet I bet you used that as a bad for him and not a credit... So he can't win for losing in your eyes.

    Hmmmm....
     
  6. Archie_Moore

    Archie_Moore ALL TIME KO KING Full Member

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    That's because he didn't say that, MVC just likes to say he said things to make himself look better and less bias... But when you ask him to prove it, he's just says "no, how bout you not not prove it"... It's his way.
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  7. MVC!

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    Sorry, no one compared anyone. I just named an opponent off the top of my head

    Stop reaching, like I said.

    You must have missed the Stiverne fight, because Stiverne landed big bombs in the fight, multiple times.

    And Stiverne is a big big puncher.

    Pascal is no big puncher, that we are very sure of.

    Wilder's chin is proven. He'll get through Povetkin relatively easily from my estimation.
     
  8. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    More like you haven't made ANY sound point besides making baseless accusations. It's actually kinda funny, in it's own way. :lol:
     
  9. The Joker

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    A Catchweight? Seriously? Ward officially pulled that skirt up, exposing that Borat hairy pu$$y. F**K Golovkin.
     
  10. Archie_Moore

    Archie_Moore ALL TIME KO KING Full Member

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    Is this what you do... Pretend things you actually posted don't mean the things that you actually said? You said if Kovalev beats Stevenson the same way that Wilder beat Molina that it would be a dominating performance... Yet even after saying it... You just pretend it doesn't mean what you said... I'm sorry, but that's bull****. Be a man and own it. "Maybe it was the wrong comparison but I just said the first fighter that came to my mind"... Okay, but don't try and justify it when we both know the comparison is ridiculous.

    Stivern has a decent punch, but name one good fighter he Koed... His opposition isn't great, and real KO power is more than just KO percentage, something I hope you'd agree with.

    You let me know when Wilder KO's good opposition and wins a fight with someone who has a good record against good opposition... But I'll tell you, just like you'll be upset the 25th of this month when Kovalev takes out your guy... Wilder will be knocked out within his next few fights (given he actually fights the top guys).
     
  11. MVC!

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    Nope, I clearly just named an opponent off the top of my head and if you can't see that, that's on you bud. :lol:

    I really could have said anyone, just named Stevenson off the top of my head because he's the first guy I thought of.

    My point was that it was a domination (Wilder/Molina), I would say the same thing for Kovalev if he dominated anyone like that, I don't care if he's C/B/A level. That's it. Try to understand this.

    Maybe you need to read between the lines or try to understand things a little better, I donno.

    So beating Stiverne like that wasn't good enough for you? He pretty much won every round besides 1 or 2.

    Wilder beats Povetkin.

    Who is my guy?

    I said Kovalev will beat Muhammedi most likely. Once again, you're making **** up. And it's getting sad.

    If you're going to keep making baseless accusations (without any proof whatsoever) and keep making **** up, I will no longer respond. This is going NOWHERE. :dead
     
  12. Archie_Moore

    Archie_Moore ALL TIME KO KING Full Member

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    So I searched all your posts and nothing about those fighters being your favorite that you named, although to your credit... Ive only gone through 2 thousand....

    Funny however, your last 2,000 posts, the only fighter you give credit and talk well about that isn't black is Danny Garcia...

    More hilarious even, is you saying "Matthysse rarely knocks anyone out at the highest of levels.

    He knocked out Peterson, okay, gj.

    But he couldn't knock out Garcia,.."

    The same point I made about Wilder and his competition.

    So we are clear... I will go through all of your posts and then post them all to make you look stupid, cause you can't man up. I'm okay with that. But don't whine and ***** when all your bs lies are just out in the open.
     
  13. lepinthehood

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    Kovalev would probably knock wilder out giving away 40lbs...
     
  14. MVC!

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    Yeah, never been fond of Matthysse, EVER. Anyone who knows me knows this, very overrated. Danny bested him and that's that.

    Go ahead and post it, and go through all of my posts. :rofl

    Don't miss any though, I know. :yep

    Just don't keep making **** up, brah. :yep
     
  15. Archie_Moore

    Archie_Moore ALL TIME KO KING Full Member

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    and "Broner leading comfortably"... You've got to freaking kidding me...