Andre Ward vs Joe Calzaghe

no, i don't get the point. and the reason being is that none of those fighters had the ability to land their shots in the way Calzaghe did. unless you're saying that those fighters were as talented as Joe was?

Joe beat a much better fighter in Hopkins, but he didn't stop him. no one stops Hopkins, even at the age he is now. but to be fair to Joe, the way his hands were when they fought, he was never going to get the opportunity.

but he came close late on though didn't he when Hopkins gassed. but for Joe Cortez to give Hopkins some time to get his breath back due to the pace being a little too hot for his liking. Hopkins got a gift right the way through that fight, you can'rt deny that?

 

say something of some worth, then you won't make such a clown of yourself. simple.

but until then... :hi:

 

remember the times that i've called you a hypocrite, Loudon? remember?

well, you're doing the same thing again. before, you brushed off everything that Wa55en had said as to a means to give your argument credence, but here, you're doing the complete opposite.

you're a joke poster who keeps chopping and changing to suit. it's pathetic. you don't have any credibility to me.

the interview was taken out of context. it wasn't the full interview, and it was contradicted many times by the fact that Joe called Jones out many times on TV and had Wa55en make offers to Jones to get the fight on.
if these facts are too much for you to handle, then that's for you to decide. but i'm bored with your **** if i'm honest

Enzo has spoken many times about what happened with the Lacy situation on TV. Joe was injured, BUT Enzo knew that this was his big chance to get the credit he knew Joe deserved. to pull out now would be a mistake because he may never get the chance again. so he advised him to fight with the injured hand and convinced him he would beat the **** out of him even with the injury.

that's the full story Loudon. but it's what i've come to expect of you.

Calzaghe made a claim to the media that Wa55en was lying with the things he was saying due to bitterness. he left it at that. or do you think that Joe should have dressed as a clown and made a big song and dance about it?

Wa55en did want the Pavlik fight for Joe over the Jones fight for legacy. but Joe knew that he was having one more fight then out. he took the most money.
so not only is it the truth that you butcher to suit, but business is a weak point for you as well.

funny that you're saying i'm dismissing comments when you're doing exactly that for Ward. you're an idiot do you know that? atsch

Ward had said the winner had to fight Bute. when the time came, he made his excuses. end of story.

nobody knew at the time that Dawson was going to struggle with the weight? :rofl:rofl:rofl even though it was a big talking point on this very forum in the lead up. even though Ward himself said that the weight was a big advantage for him.

just how high up in the clouds do you get, Loudon? :nut

if Ward had told Bute that he'd fight him next but needed a rest, Bute would have had a warm up in Canada. he most certainly wouldn't have risked it all by traveling to the UK. what part of this simple situation don't you understand exactly? the only reason that Bute fought Froch in the UK, was down to Ward denying him the fight if he didn't do it.

Ward picked Froch to beat Bute. but i see you putting the extras in to try and hang in there when all is lost. as per usual.

we've been over the 175 situation for Joe too many times. i refuse to waste any more time with you on that subject.

so you didn't read all of what i said on the Rodriguez post to Herol? again, not surprising. i did make a comment on Rodriguez, yes. but i also said just who was worthy of fighting Ward if not these three. so the comment stands because i was making a valid point to what Ward had said himself.
i should be surprised that you're defending Ward when he's come out and said these things in the media, but slag off Joe for one little piece that was contradicted many times. but considering it's you Loudon, i really shouldn't be surprised should i.

 

wrong!

i'm saying you're a joke poster as well. Bailey is being accurate in his post. you work that out.

 

because Tarver was tied up at that point. duh!

i think i answered the Pavlik/Jones question in my original post, Loudon. money!

Joe was willing to fight in America at any point it made sense. again, we've been over this a thousand times before.

same old, same old. atsch

 

regardless of which way you want to twist it to suit, the fact remains that Joe did call out Jones and made big money offers to him.

end of story.

 

i got in the habit of ignoring you as regards to the Calzaghe/Jones discussions. i'm now going to ignore your boring worthless **** completely now. :hi:

 

Bute went all the way to the UK because he was so confidant of beating him. Even Froch himself thought he might lose.
Bute sought not one but two fights with Froch. If he wanted Ward that bad he wound not of done that.

 

:rofl

you're this forums personal village idiot. it really wouldn't be the same without you. :rofl

 

My point is, Calzaghe never stopped anyone who was any good. And certainly no one near the level of Ward. Those other guys also had the power to stop Ward.

Don't really know that the Hopkins thing applies. Calzaghe was able to gas a 43 year old guy. Doubt that set of circumstances happens with Ward.

No matter how you slice it, Calzaghe and Ward are of a similar level, which happens to be a level above the likes of Kessler and Froch.

The way I see it, you take a prime version of any of those guys, they'd go thru the other guy's resume much the same.

 

bailey,

What it meant was, the winner of the Super Six after 2 years, had a right to do what he wanted.

Again, Ward had only just resumed training around the time that Froch and Bute agreed to the fight. How does any of the above constitute as a duck?

Bute was considered a force. I don't need your boxrec stats of who beat who to know that Dawson was a good fighter. Calzaghe has got nothing to do with this. It didn't matter than Dawson had no pedigree at 168. He was an accomplished fighter, and a dangerous opponent. He'd done more than Bute at that point. But unfortunately he couldn't make the weight.

When Bute was an undefeated fighter, before Froch destroyed him, it would have been a big fight. But there were question marks on how good he actually was. Dawson was more proven and that too was also a big fight. But after Froch had destroyed Bute, the Dawson fight was definitely a bigger fight than a Bute one.

You are the King of spin.

Again, you've been telling us that Kessler was faded, unwell and rusty etc when Ward faced him. So if that was the case, by your own admission, Ward's win should have been nothing to celebrate.

Ward then went on to beat Froch in the final, with his hand broken in two places. Then five months later, Froch destroyed Bute in one of his biggest wins, if not the biggest win of his career.

So under the circumstances, Ward's win over Froch must be more impressive than his win over Kessler.

I've read the link. Ward says he'd been fighting top competition for 2 and a half years, and he wanted to sit back and see what happened. He sat back, watched Froch destroy Bute, and then took on a guy who was more proven in Dawson. It's just a shame Dawson and his team agreed to go to 168, and the fight wasn't at 175.

He was just discussing potential future options, and gave his reasons why he didn't want to face Bute. In the end, he took a big fight against Dawson.

Again, how does it constitute as a duck?

He didn't want to fight Bute directly after the tournament.

What do you class as a duck? Because I class a duck, as somebody swerving a guy out of a fear of losing to them.

Now Ward saying that he wanted a break and that he'd let the fight build up, doesn't mean he feared him in my opinion. Especially as he went on to fight Dawson in his next fight.

There's no logic that he feared Bute, but was willing to fight Dawson.

They were both big southpaws.

Bute was slick with good skills, and so was Dawson. But Dawson had campaigned at a higher weight and was more proven.

So if he really feared Bute, why would he have fought Dawson?


It wouldn't have made sense.



Again, there's no evidence or logic to prove that Ward feared Bute.

 

bailey,

You've been answered. :good

 

assasin,

Not at all. I know that Frank held talks with Roy, and made him offers, and I know that in his own mind he felt that he'd chased Roy as an opponent.

My argument has always been, that what he did was never enough. That's my honest opinion. Frank says he chased him, and he believes he did. But I don't. I'm not saying that the offers weren't made and talks weren't held, I'm saying, they were at the wrong times, and he could have done a lot more.

So me saying that I don't believe Frank, has nothing to do with the comments that he made in that link.

I'm not chopping and changing anything.

You need to open your eyes and read what he said.

Yeah, yeah, how convenient? It's always taken out of context isn't it?


Anything that shows Joe in a bad light = It's a lie, or it was taken out of context.


Ha!


Wake up!


Explain to me again how Joe really wanted to fight Roy, when he said he wasn't chasing him?


How do you turn the following quote:


"I'm not chasing Roy Jones"


Into


"Come on Roy, I want to fight, just stop messing me about."



????



You're a fantasist.

1. That goes against everything that Enzo said in the documentary and in the build up to the fight with Roy, where he also pulled out with an injury.


2. Why does Frank say that they both had to talk him round?


3. Why has Joe never given his side as well as addressing the other things that Frank said?

You'd have to be a complete fool to dismiss all five of those quotes from Frank.

After he'd said he didn't want Roy because he was shot?

He'd got a broken hand, and he said that after 2 and a half years he wanted a rest, and to see what would unfold.

After Froch beat Bute, he took on Dawson.

Why would a guy who feared Bute, have taken on Dawson?

It would be illogical.

People speculated you fool.

Are you telling me that Chad knew he was going to struggle, but signed regardless?

Nobody knew for a fact that he'd struggle.

Ward didn't know how long he'd be out for, and he gave his reasons as to why he wasn't going to be fighting Bute next. He never said he didn't ever want to face him. He said he was going to sit back and see what happened.

That doesn't mean he was scared to fight him.

So what?

Again, unless he's psychic he couldn't have known Froch was going to destroy him.

I read exactly what you put. You were being sarcastic, implying that Ward only wanted to face guys the calibre of Rodriguez, and used it as a dig.

But you're talking about a guy who's beaten Kessler, Froch, and who signed to fight Dawson, after 9 months out.

Ward's not a guy who isn't interested in big fights.

Also, he's only 29, and barring any injuries, I'm sure there's a lot to look forward to.

 

Tarver was tied up?


So Joe wanted to fight him, but wasn't able to?


Joe said he wanted bigger fights in America for recognition.


But in his autobiography, he said that Tarver had done nothing apart from beat a past his best Roy Jones.

 

Mentioning a guys name isn't a direct call out, and the two offers were in 2002 when Roy's other options were Tarver and Ruiz, and in 2006 when Roy was on a three fight losing streak.