Andre Ward vs Joe Calzaghe

Calzaghe UD or maybe even late stoppage.

 

Ward couldnt deal with Zags engine.

 

Loudon gets proved wrong on a daily basis, still im sure he will call his opinion fact and argue that

 

Eubank - never stopped at that point in his career. well known for having a great chin. only stoppage was at Cruiser due to eye swelling.

Reid - never down, never stopped when Joe fought him. the first to drop him was Lacy when he was shot to **** years later.

Jimenez - never been stopped in his career.

Gimenez - (not to be mistaken for the guy up top) had a great chin, but Joe stopped him eventually. Eubank and Benn couldn't even do it. Benn has commented on that fight plenty and acknowledges Joe's heavy hands.

Starie - had a great chin. only stopped once in his career. but Joe wasn't allowed to get his shots off because Starie became the Octopus that night and wouldn't stop grabbing hold of him.

when his hands were bad, he fought these who also had great chins...

Lacy
Kessler
Hopkins
Bika

only 14 fighters lasted the difference. there are 9 here who didn't go down pretty much, let along get knocked out.

the one fighter that Joe should have got rid of when his hands were good, was Brewer. but he spent most of the fight with his hands up. :good

Joe pretty much stopped the rest.

you can't deny the great chins of these fighters, Des? no way.

no, i don't think it's a stretch to stop Ward when you consider that he plays to the strengths of Joe, as well as having a shaky chin. Joe would hit him plenty of times. Ward isn't making the full 12. i have not one doubt in my mind about that. not one.

dicey tactics against Kessler?? he cheated the whole way through the fight, he should have been thrown out of there. and what makes it worse, is that he never got a warning or a point taken off. :-(

Hopkins likes fighters that get in close while he moves on the back foot. Ward would do that. he's never come close to fighting anyone like Hopkins, and never will. but he'd lose that fight clearly on the cards. may even get caught with a shot trying to step in and get taken out. it wouldn't take a big shot either.

all of Ward's opponents can't fight on the inside which is where he takes advantage. but when Bika came along, we saw the real Ward. he had a hard, tough fight for 12 rounds and only won by a couple. Bika had been out for 18 months as well.
when the style doesn't play into Ward's strengths (no inside game) Ward is in trouble. and you'll see that play out in the not too distant future.

if Groves does get his chance in the next couple of fights, Ward is getting knocked the **** out. trust me. :good

 

Thanks, man. :good

 

no, it's funny when someone clings hold of one little piece of a non full interview, but ignores all the many times it was contradicted. idiot. atsch

also, you're being a hypocrite again by washing over (like you always do) the links that Bailey gave you. double atsch

defend it all you delusional fruit cake. defend it all no matter what.

 

one of the silliest posts you'll ever see.

if you can't see it now, you never will.

 

the only one who's sore Herol, is you. you know, when the Welsh guy took your Girlfriend and made you cry?

dry those bitter tears before it eats your soul. :yep

 

it would be fair enough if it was funny Loudon. but it wasn't.

no need to use the little laughing guy so much. :good

 

Ward will never be on the level that Joe was. never.

and we will see that play out in Ward's career. he'll be knocked out soon enough.

 

tell me about it.

the thing that makes me laugh the most is that he truly believes he's credible. even though he's admitted that he gets his boxing knowledge on these forums. :rofl

 

:huh no, we have plenty.

it's America who has all the boring **** that no one wants to see. they can't sell tickets to save their life.

throw in the fact that they are overrated, and it gets even worse.

boxing is growing in the UK. :yep

 

bailey,

Why the heck have you wrote out all of the above?

Nobody has mentioned anything about Carl or any fighter not having had a tough schedule.

I said that after Andre had won the tournament, with an injured hand, he was well within his rights to have a break and to see what unfolded.

You need to see someone.

I wasn't talking about 168 specifically. Overall, Dawson was more proven as a fighter.

Dawson was a bigger fight after Carl had destroyed Bute.

Explosiveness and crowds are irrelevant. Bute had question marks over him.

Again, Dawson was a more proven fighter.

If you feared a 6'1 southpaw with question marks hanging over him, in Bute, then why would you sign up to face another 6'1, southpaw who was more proven, with wins over Hopkins etc?

It would be illogical.

Right, so you're telling me that Andre's win over Carl, can't be classed has his best win, because Andre had already beaten Kessler who went on to beat Carl afterwards?

Ha!

Is that your reasoning?

I've read all of the links, and Andre says what he wants to do, and then gives his reasoning as to why.

I've heard Andre say before the end of the Super Six, that the winner should fight Bute. So what? He broke his hand, won the tournament, wanted a break, and said he'd sit back and wait to see what happened.

You're making out as though he said he didn't want to ever fight Bute, and are trying to convince everyone that he feared him.

What have I told you about compiling stats?


Black and white stats never allow for circumstances.


So what if Bute was undefeated, and Dawson wasn't?


Fighters lose


Once again, none of the above proves that Andre feared Bute.