Andre Ward vs Joe Calzaghe

why, what else do you have other than the same **** as always?

do you have another interview?:think

 

he's had a past best Kessler where he cheated non stop. Joe did it clean.

a fighter in Froch who has no inside game.

a weight drained Dawson who would have been knocked out cold by every top ten at 168. it meant nothing.

and who else?

where's Hopkins?

where's a prime Reid?

where's a Lacy?

a Eubank?

Ward hasn't come close to beating the fighters that Joe has. it's delusional to think otherwise.

apart from Abraham (who had lost his 2 before that and had zero confidence) Ward has fought dirty against all other worthy opponents. :deal

he can't even get those wins fair and square. what does that say to you?

 

We can't go through it all again.

Let's leave it. :good

 

That he's a dirty fighter:good

 

Hold on a moment, you're hardly being objective are you?


You can't just type things such as "Froch had no inside game" and dismiss it as a nothing win. What about the fact that Andre had a broken hand, and then Carl went on to destroy Bute afterwards?


If you want a proper debate, be fair and objective.


Otherwise your list can be pulled apart.



Hopkins - Joe scraped by him when he was 43, on a S/D that could have gone either way


Lacy - Who had he beaten before he fought Joe?


Reid - Had lost to Malinga before he fought Joe, then straight after Joe had struggled against him, he went on to lose to Branco.


Eubank - Was preparing to fight an orthodox LHW, when on just 11 days notice, he had to prepare for a southpaw at SMW. He had to quickly change his diet, drop weight, and also had to have injections in his bad knees. Afterwards, he only fought another 2 bouts. He was at the end of his career.


How about that?

 

I think our definition of good fighters is fundamentally different. Let's leave it at that.

Aside from Kessler, I don't recall anything that could be considered dirty. And to me, head butts in fights happen. Whether it was intentional or not, a guy has to have answers, or be overcome. Kessler was overcome.

Again, we're talking high water. Calzaghe's best wins are .......in no particular order....... Kessler, Hopkins, Lacy.

Kessler was a very good win for Calzaghe. Ward handled him too, and easily. You could say he was unwell, headbutted, etc. But you'd also have to acknowledge hand issues when he fought Calzaghe.

Hopkins was 43 years old. Still, a good win. But not a prime Hopkins. Ward would have been a nip and tuck fight.

Lacy. Froch is a better fighter than Lacy. The manner of Calzaghe's win makes it a better win, but I don't think Ward would have had any trouble with Lacy at all. Do you?

The rest is just filler. Nobody that would throw the scales out of whack.

Prime Reid? Do you think Ward would lose to any version of Reid?

Eubank? No need to go there. He was a battle worn guy. A once great fighter, but not when he fought Calzaghe. He was done at smw, training for a fight at a higher weight when he took the Calzaghe fight with less than 2 weeks notice. He went on to fight at cw but let's face it, Eubank never won another fight after he fought Calzaghe. You don't think Ward with all his craftiness and versatility, could have beaten that Eubank? Seriously?

As for chin thing, he might not be iron chinned, but I don't know that Ward is as chinny as all that. Because Boone put him down? Would Ward have taken those shots? I don't know. But you kind of addressed it yourself. Ward's defensive prowess is better than any of those guys. Do you think he would just sit there and let Calzaghe try and knock him out?

Personally, I don't think you're nuts, but I do think you romanticize everything about Calzaghe.

 

Styles make fights.

I'd pick CalSlappy over Ward all day, too fast too clever and far too busy. Ward is effective and fast but he boxes in such a sloppy **** fasion he wouldn't get the nod from the crown or the judges. He's never going to out-land calzaghe, his defense, while good, isn't Mayweather. In the close rounds that could go either way Salppy would win them all on pure work rate.

 

i agree that styles make fights. ward is on a different level than joe. ward would be the boss and control the pace on his way to a decision imo but let's be honest, we could never get joe in the ring with a prime ward.

 

that's very true
calzaghe was a very good boxer though

 

I disagree. When did Calzaghe ever duck a top SMW? His legitimate threats for SMW supremacy were Lacy and Kessler and he fought both of those. Maybe we couldn't get Ward in the ring with Calzaghe. He didn't seem to want to fight Bute who has some similarities but is not as good as Calzaghe. He probably only fought guys like Abraham, Kessler and Froch because he was in the super 6 which he probably only entered because he had nothing to lose and everything to gain. Joe probably wouldn't go to Oakland but would Ward come to Wales?

 

Ward UD. In reality this fight would be impossible to make , because Joke Calsslappy would never leave UK to fight anybody as good as ward in his prime and Ward would never go to UK, but prime for prime on neutral ground where only clean punches score Ward beats joke calslappy 8-4.

 

ward has beaten his main rivals...joe spent years 'calling out' jones and Hopkins but never overcame his 'fear of flying' until they hit 40 and were dethroned by younger challengers. I think that's what he meant

 

I don't think it's 175 brits voting for Calzaghe

Calzaghe UD

 

So Calzaghe avoided ATG's who weren't in his weight division? In that case Ward has avoided GGG, Bute, Stevenson and Kovalev which is even worse imo. According to you, Joe called his guys out whereas Ward isn't even doing that (which is an even better way of avoiding. If Joe was avoiding those guys, repeatedly calling them out seems to be a strange way of going about it). I don't recall Calzaghe refusing any contracts and I don't recall Hopkins or Jones calling Calzaghe out and Calzaghe backing down.