Andre Ward vs Joe Calzaghe

The WORLD'S ATG.

Kell, Khan, Fury, Groves Haye

 

W4rr3n was the main guy (or one of them) with all the experience and connections. Calzaghe needed him (or someone similar) plus there are legal aspects. I don't think you can just leave a promoter whenever you want that easily. Joe probably trusted him to do the right thing because what's good for Joe is good for W4rr3n.

Doesn't really matter in this hypothetical Joe vs Andre match up. If one guy is unwilling to leave home for a fight, he's ducking. If both guys are unwilling, they're both ducking. Joe was willing to leave home for the right fights.

 

So what? This has nothing to do with the topic. Maybe he didn't really chase Roy too hard but he certainly is no more of a ducker than Ward.

 

Calzaghe by stoppage.

 

Calzaghe is just to much man for him.

 

only the Kessler fight? did you even watch that stink fest last time out against Rodriguez? i've seen less wrestling, holding and grappling in the WWE and the UFC.

:huh getting illegally held on to after every jab and headbutted (intentionally) is something you have to find an answer to in boxing??? wow! i thought more of you than that, Des. but i guess i was wrong.
i suppose you found nothing wrong with Tyson biting a chunk out of Holyfields ear, and just simply thought " ohh, he needs to find an answer to that"
that's ****ed up if i may say so myself. although, i'm sure if American fighters were getting treated like that if they fought away from home you'd have a very different opinion.

no, Ward didn't handle Kessler easily. if that was the case, then he wouldn't have found the need to use the tactics he did. he obviously felt he couldn't beat him on a level playing field. otherwise he would have. :deal

Kessler used his right hand fine in his fight with Joe. he even said there was no problem with it after the fight. and they never found anything wrong with him when they did the physical.

you're right, Hopkins wasn't in his prime. but he wasn't that far removed from it. but neither was Calzaghe in his prime. people seem to forget that one though don't they. :-(

as we saw with Bika, Ward doesn't have things his own way if they can fight on the inside. unless you think Bika is better than Lacy?

but to answer the question... yes, i think Lacy would stand a great chance even with Ward's tactics. but overall, when doing H2H matches where Ward is involved, it's hard to really gauge due to the dirty way he fights.

Reid was a very good fighter in his prime. he could could fight inside and out, had a chin made of rock, and could punch. so yeah, he'd stand a great chance.
if Ward were to fight without the dirty ****, i'd be able to make better predictions. but it seems they allow him to fight like that all the time over there. so as i say, it's really hard to gauge properly.

i'd definitely pick that Eubank to beat him though. if you're going to fight in close like Joe did, you better have the chin for it. Ward doesn't.

and there wasn't anything unusual about Eubank's weight before the fight. he always did that.

done at SM? he'd not long lost his unbeaten record at the weight. he only moved up to Cruiser because he was able to get a title shot against Thompson. if the title shot wasn't for him, he wouldn't have done it. he would have stayed at SM. he wasn't struggling with the weight.

i told you it was about the chin and nothing else, but you still brought the defence into it. come on, man.

it wasn't just the Boone fight. he was badly wobbled against some other guy (can't remember his name, but it's on YT) you hit him on the chin, he's in trouble.

i see Joe for what he is. you're the one who defends the dirtiest fighter in the game and see no problem with the way he fights. so that's a bit rich.

 

Ward would control the pace with Joe? :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

not even Hopkins could do it.

Froch and Bika got very hot for Ward, and neither is anywhere near the level of Joe. so you're just writing delusional rubbish there.

 

oh didn't you know, Joe ducked lots of people. it's a shame it only exists in their head.

**** em.

 

Joe agreed to fight them in America much earlier. so you're lying as per usual.

Ward has come out though and said that he has no interest with ALL his biggest rivals.

he hasn't made any big money offers like Joe did. and he hasn't called them out like Joe did. in fact, it's the opposite... they've called him out. :deal

who called out Joe only to be denied the way Ward is doing right now? i'll tell you shall i... ****ing, no one! :deal

 

Calzaghe beats Ward comfortably around 8rds to 4.

 

then you must think that most of the opponents that Hagler faced, were ****.

so if that's the case, how can he be seen as a great fighter? what exactly did he do that was great?

what is so good about Ali's win over Frazier? :think

 

don't you mean, look what happened when they finally had the guts to face him? the fights happened straight away. that's what happened. :yep

 

Do you honestly think I am a Ward fan Assasin? I am not. I respect his skills in the ring, much the same as I do Calzaghe. Not a big fan of his phony cool-cat demeanor, or his bible thumping. I am not defending his tactics. Most of what I see isn't as much of a problem to me as it obviously is to you. Personally, I think you're exaggerating. It's a fight. Rodriguez? He was as guilty as Ward for initiating clinches, as was Bika. My point with Kessler stands. Ward was jumping in and out, and being reckless with his head. Kessler had NO answers for Ward's foot or handspeed(or headspeed). Yes, it was ugly, and I felt bad for Kessler. But you need to have answers when a guy does that. Kessler did nothing other than stand there and have terms completely dictated to him by a guy with 25 fights or so.

Eubank was done at smw......wasn't his last loss to Collins like 3 years earlier? He bounced around for a while I thought, fighting warm ups until the fight with Calzaghe came out of the blue. He was finished at the top level. He never won again after winning those warm ups. That much I know.

Ward would eat Lacy up. Too slow, too predictable. Bika may not be better than Lacy, but a guy like Lacy would have his hands fu..........what the hell does that have to do with anything?

Ad for the chin thing. I don't know what it is you're getting at. I Ward were to sit there and let Calzaghe wail away willy nilly, would he go down? Is that the question? If so, sure, he'd go down. What does it prove? Calzaghe was down vs Mitchell and Kabary Salem, does that prove anything?

How Omar Sheika equates to Marvin Hagler, and Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali, I really can't guess.

You don't see a difference between Calzaghe's resume and Hagler's? Or Ali's? Joe Frazier? How should I answer that?

 

I believe they all would have fought each other earlier had the circumstances allowed for it...

We have proof that Joe saw Roy as a huge risk and would need huge money... He was not going to get that kind of money at the time... I also have read enough comments to make me believe Joe knew a loss to prime Roy was very likely.. That is my opinion though.

I also think Roy knew Joe was a great fighter, and would want more money to fight him, the problem was, Roy was getting that kind of money fighting his HBO mandos.. It would have been a dumb business move to fight Joe back then. Just as Joe wasn't going to fight Roy unless he got the money...

Roy and Joe were both similar in the sense, that they had kids, and took safe fights sometimes for a good paycheck.. They both weighed the risk vs. reward..