Andre Ward vs Joe Calzaghe

I go back and forth on this fight. Hard to pick a winner.

 

Andre is like Hopkins and he also would not be active enough and be able to handle the pace

 

Would most likely be the most challenging opponents either fighter would ever have faced. In terms of skill and reflexes Ward would beat Joe to the punch and take 4 of the first 6 rounds, may even score a flash knockdown. Calzaghe would always be closing the gap, his stamina and punch volume were tremendous and when he was on form he could rarely be discoraged. This would be one helluva close fight imo. Joe would work for every round, would Ward? Still struggling to decide an outcome but I'm going for Calzaghe to win it late, it will be an even fight going into the 12 th round where Joe takes it for a split decision win.

 

Bailey,


This is getting silly now, and you're clearly just arguing for the sake of it.

He gave his reasons. Read the link.

How is it my opinion? On the link that you've provided, dated Dec, 2011, he said he wanted a break.

WTF are you talking about?

He won the tournament than ran for over two years, and at that point he was entitled to do as he pleased.

This is hard work.

Why don't you read what I'm writing.

AT THE TIME OF THE LINK, DATED, APRIL, 2012, HE WAS INDEED LOOKING TO FIGHT AGAIN.

BUT HE WASN'T LOOKING TO FIGHT AGAIN IN DEC, 2011, AFTER THE TOURNAMENT, BECAUSE HE WAS INJURED WITH A BROKEN HAND, AND HE DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT SPECIFIC TIME, HOW LONG HE'D BE OUT FOR. HE ALSO EXPLAINED THAT HE WAS HAPPY TO SIT BACK AND SEE WHAT UNFOLDED.

How hard is that to grasp?

His circumstances had changed within a four month period.

Dec, 2011 = He wasn't looking to fight.

April, 2012 = He was back to full fitness, and was looking to fight.


DO YOU UNDERSTAND??

As above. In April, 2012, he was looking to fight again. But he wasn't in Dec, 2011.

You have provided TWO links, from two different points in time.

In the first link, he says he wants to take a break.

He had a change of opinion. In life it happens. I'm not denying that he said the winner should face Bute.

But Andre having a change of heart, doesn't constitute as a duck in my opinion.

How is my argument rubbish?

He gave his reasons for not wanting to fight Bute, but he couldn't have committed to fighting anybody in May, because he didn't get the go ahead to resume training til late Feb. The contracts for Froch - Bute, must have been signed around three months before the fight, which would have been in either Feb or March. We know this, because each fighter as an 8 week camp (sometimes longer) and everything is normally finalised at least a month before. So whenever the contracts had been signed, Ward would only have just returned to full training.

So Dawson wasn't a more proven fighter, because he'd lost, and Bute hadn't?


Why do you think that Dawson wasn't more proven?

Dawson had beaten better opponents.


Bute had questions marks over him, that came to fruition when Froch destroyed him.


Once again, stats don't allow for circumstances.

It wouldn't have made any sense to have feared Bute, to then have fought Dawson.

You say that Dawson had been exposed. But he'd also beaten better fighters than Bute. Again, people were aware of Dawson's capabilities, whereas with Bute, they weren't sure, because he looked great, but against lesser opposition.

Wow!

HE WANTED TO SIT BACK IN DEC, 2011!

It's in the link that you've provided.

 

:tired

 

Bailey,


Part 2.


We're just going over old ground here, and we're probably boring everyone to death who's reading this.

I feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.

His circumstances had changed, along with his opinion.

Has this never happened to you? Or are you different from everyone else?

Has certain circumstances never changed your initial perception of something?

And??

I've seen it for what feels like a hundred times.

The Keyword there, is SURE.

At the time of the Ward fight, Dawson had beaten Adamek, Johnson, Tarver and Hopkins. He hadn't fought Stevenson at that point.

And? Again, his circumstances had changed, and he changed his opinion.

Is that sufficient evidence that he DUCKED Bute?

I never said they had the same style.

I said that they were both big southpaws, and one was more proven than the other.

In my honest opinion, it would have been illogical to have feared one but not the other.

I'm not posting what I think. I'm posting what Andre HIMSELF said, in your link from Dec, 2011.

READ CAREFULLY.

"So I don't have to go to Lucian Bute right now. We're going to sit back and I'm GOING TO REST and we'll see what happens next."

That was his opinion and his choice, with his reasoning behind it.


You've mentally drained me.

You must be the world's most argumentative person.

 

"really close"? Kessler couldn't touch Ward let alone win a single minute of any round. Ward's headbutting may have tainted the win slightly but how is that an excuse for getting completely shut out over eight rounds? Like, did you give Kesserl a round? Or a minute of that fight at all?

How would that have changed had the location been different?

 

Calzaghe because he throws more punches

 

is that what there called
not winging slaps

 

It is clearer now more than ever that Ward handles Sir slaps-a-lot with ease. joe ducked all of the great boxers I'm their prime for a reason. I was never a fan of Ward but now I am a convert . . . He is the GOAT of smws

 

joemos be on that a-side meth!!! ward schools calzaghe!

 

Tough fight. Calslappys punch output and speed would definately catch up to Ward later in the fight. A close one..

 

Ward ain't no Kessler, either.