Andre Ward vs Joe Calzaghe

why would I make up that you wrote he remained one of the greatest in the division at that time?

One of the current greatest doesnt go 9-6 in that decade. There is noone for whom you would claim the same in any division. But fro some reason you claim it here. Why are you making an exception here? Or are you attempting here to distance yourself from your previous comment? Its unclear.

Hopkins remained competitive at world level, but he was pick and choosing by then - he took titles from guys like shumenov and cloud. Thats one reason he in his 40s fought joe calzaghe, because he was considered a wbo soft touch, bernie thought he still had more than enough to beat a guy who had only 2 or 3 world level wins to show for an 11 year title career - by comparison Hopkins had more in 11 months.

 

And you're going to sit there and honestly say that Bernard Hopkins did not reclaim his spot as the top Light Heavyweight after Calzaghe retired and held that position until Dawson beat him, and that he wasn't winning world titles and beating world level opponents right up until Kovalev, that the Ring didn't rate him amongst the divisions three best fighter from 2006 right up until 2014.

What ****ing planet are you on Herol?

Hopkins proved beyond any doubt he was one of the greatest fighters at Light Heavyweight. You just dont want to credit him for it because doing so would mean you have to recognize that Calzaghe fought a great a fighter, and you're such a Calzaghe hating troll that you see nothing wrong in running down Bernard Hopkins achievements just so you can belittle Calzaghe.

 

and now you seem to think hopkins was no 1 at LHW in his forties. I was happy with you claiming top five, but this is too much.

and you seem to be in denial that dawson spanked him not just once, but was on the way to doing it first time too. Thats not reclaiming top spot.

 

He was. Look at the Ring rankings. In 2006 and 2007 when he was 41 and 42 he was the highest ranked Light Heavyweight. He lost that position to Calzaghe in 2008 and reclaimed it in 2011 when he was 46.

And I'm in no denial that "Dawson spanked him not just once, but was on the way to doing it the first time too". I recognized that Dawson beat him when I said he took the spot as the top Light Heavyweight away from him.

Try to keep up.

 

ah the ring magazine ratings. used to legitamise the "ring magazine belt", no doubt. So trustworthy in this example.

Now dont get me wrong, I rate that Pascal win as outstanding for his age, and his last true world level win. But theres no way he was an elite by then. Men are not elite in their mid forties, not unless golf is your sport or something similarly trouser wearing.

 

The dawson fights showed hopkins didnt belong in the elite anymore, pretty conclusively. Dawson was obviously the number 1 LHW before and after the fights.

 

I'm a big Calzaghe fan but many of his fans are an embarrassment tbh. He was 50/50 with old Hopkins ffs but he somehow beats Ward. Talk about deluded.

 

Which wasn't the case in both the Froch or Kovalev fights. Kovalev had endless opportunities to walk through Ward. He backed off every time he got him into a corner or up against the ropes . Every time. You don't keep that type of distance from a guy if the guy has no power to hurt you.
You also don't win fights by doing nothing but 'wrapping yourself' around somebody. Froch took the worst beating of his career off Ward. How was that possible if he had no power and just held all night.

You didn't tell any of these reasons. The conclusion was Calzaghe would smoke Ward. Tell me the reasons.

LOL. So Margo and Vitali were never beaten?
What top P4P level fighter did Vitali ever beat? His high work rate style was completely ineffective on Chris Byrd. And on Lewis as well. Those were the two best guys he ever fought in his career and he went 0-2-0. Andre Ward is a top level P4P talent. Guys Vitali beat didn't enter the top 100 P4P list. Do you understand that?

Margarito is a stupid example to bring up and only serves to destroy your own argument.
Power is an attribute. Not a skill. You need skill to deliver power. The fact you bring up mosely vs margo further proves ydksab and know even less about Andre Ward.
Mosely beat Margo in a very similar fashion to how Ward fought Kovelev. Lots of inside mauling and bulling . Lot of inside work and body attack. He fought the type of fight required to beat a guy who comes throwing the kitchen sick.
Thats exactly the type of fight Ward would fight to beat Calzaghe.
When you act like Ward is the only guy that ever fought rough , it says you have not seen a lot of boxing and most likely only ever watch the highlight reel KO's on youtube.
You could also use manny's fight fight vs Margo as to why Ward would beat Joe. Timing speed accuracy >> sloppy high volume arm punches.
While im still here lets throw in Cotto Margo II... A sharp shooting master class on the back foot by Cotto. Totally shut down Margo's entire offence. Ward is versatile , adaptable and could use that strategy along with many others to beat Joe.

Joe had bad hands all his career. Didn't you know that? Thats why he never had the power to pop a grape. No power + hard to hit Ward = an absolute dogging for Joey.
Im glad you brought that up actually because Ward fought with a real broken hand. To show you the different level thes guys operated at -
Ward dominated Froch with a broken hand.
Normal Joe was getting dominated by Reid. Carl Froch blitzed Reid in 5 round. Ward would never go life and death with no domestic leveller like Reid , even with a broken hand. Joey boy was very lucky he wasn't sparked out in that fight and without the bogus point deduction , Reid would have WON.

He literally is better than Joe. Both in resume and in skill set. You'd have to know nothing about box to look at both men and see Joe being a more skilled and talented boxer.

 

Clearly not a big Calzaghe fan. Hopkins had just come off the back of some of the best wins in his career. Don't forget Joe wasn't exactly a spring chicken himself.

 

And when Joe was in his prime he went life and death with Robin Reid and was made to look ordinary against David Starie. Calzaghe was a good fighter but he was never on the same level as Ward and that should be obvious to anyone with eyes and no bias.

 

no they werent the best wins of his career, there is one good win, Pascal, and a string of nearbee opponents and losses each side.

not withstanding its outstanding FOR HIS AGE.

 

He was old too though by that point, he was what, 36? With hands that were completely busted. Prime Calzaghe-Ward would be a good fight in all fairness.

 

Your sole reason for being on this forum is to post in Calzaghe threads. You have no credibility, none.

 

Ward is better than Super Joe Calzaghe. Better boxer better skills, ring generalship and physically stronger man. There relative performances against a peak Kessler is instructive!

 

Joe C easily beats Ward. He is a coward of a man.