Andre Ward won't get big fights unless he makes these changes

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  1. boxingbull

    boxingbull Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He probably needs to change promoters (hes working on this) to Top Rank and defintley fightoutside of Oakland he should be fighting in Nevada
     
  2. lobk

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    Ward is suing Gossen for the 2nd time. Until that is settled Ward ain't fighting no one.
     
  3. Super Hans

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    Thing is, I doubt anything will change. Judging by what Ward says in this interview:

    [url]http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/181795-ward-on-hopkins-and-boogey-men-golovkin-kovalev-stevenson[/url]

    They have to meet HIS demands to make the fight happen.
     
  4. Super Hans

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    But after that, which big name fighter is he fighting, bearing in mind:

    1. It will have to take place in California
    2. They will have to accept considerably less money than Ward.
    3. It has to take place at 168
    4. They won't be allowed ODST or VADA drug testing.

    The only name fighter I could see taking those demands is Hopkins, but with the Golden Boy/ HBO cold war, it's not happening, and Ward has said he's not interested in fighting B-Hop anyway.
     
  5. vast

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    bingo!
     
  6. MVC!

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    :deal
     
  7. MVC!

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    And Ward beats GGG, with ease.

    GGG wants no part of him and wants no part of anyone who calls him out.

    Everytime someone calls him out, his management team says

    "They ain't good enough or we ain't ready for him"

    It's saddening to see that. :deal
     
  8. Super Hans

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    But, if you was in GGG's shoe's would you do it, being the conditions of the fight are:

    1. It takes place in Ward's home state
    2. Ward makes a lot more money from the fight, even though the viewers are tuning into see you, and you have the bigger following.
    3. You have to fight at a weight Ward is comfortable at and you've never fought before.
    4. Drug testing is off the table.

    I've heard Mayweather say plenty of times "I'll fight anyone" and Golovkin's wanting a fight at 154 or a catchweight, so it would be like Golovkin saying to Mayweather:

    1. It has to take place in a venue of my choosing
    2. I make more money from the fight even though you bring more viewers
    3. You have to fight above 154 for the first time
    4. No drug testing.

    Or like Kovalev demanding the same of Ward, who's also said he'd fight anyone. When people say that, and pretty much every fighter does, it means "within reason being that boxing is a business"

    Would Mayweather and Ward be ducking in the above examples? No. Because those offers are unreasonable. The risk of losing is bigger than the reward for winning.

    I don't think Ward is blatantly ducking these guys, he's just seems to think he's a bigger star than he is.

    Would the Dawson fight have taken place if Dawson had offered him a fight at 175, in Dawson's hometown, with a 70-30 split in favor of Dawson- no.

    Froch would love a rematch but at 36 years old he doesn't want to waste his time fighting for peanuts in Oakland, in a boring fight he would probably lose when he can make a lot more fighting Groves in front of an adoring fan base in the UK in a 70,000 seater arena on SKY PPV. As Ward explains here, he's not really interested in budging in the negotiations:

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKOfiMn0PIY[/url]
     
  9. jas

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    Andre ward is boring. His and his trainers interviews are boring.
     
  10. Farmboxer

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    When Stevenson called out Ward live on HBO, he said he would fight Ward at 175 or even go down to 168, but Ward refused to answer him.............Ward always wants his referee, judges, boxing commission, etc. Ward is a legend in his own mind.........
     
  11. Super Hans

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    True. If he had a more dynamic personality and could sell a fight, he'd probably entitled to make the demands he does.
     
  12. Farmboxer

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    Ward sued Goosen after Goosen has given him everything, all fights in his home town, his personal referee, judges, boxing commission, ring, everything, Ward lost the first suit, but now he is suing him again. What more does Ward want?
     
  13. MVC!

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    Please tell me how many of Wards' fights were in Oakland

    Thanks.

    It's completely exaggerated and you know it. His last fight wasn't even in Oakland. Neither was the Super 6 final vs Froch. :deal:hi:

    You speak as if Ward is the only man who stays in his home town (When that's not even the case). Stevenson/Froch are people who strictly fight in their hometown (well Froch for his last few fights)

    Stevenson strictly fights in Montreal and Froch strictly fights in Nottingham. There is absolutely nothing bad you can say about Ward. He's doing exactly the same thing as almost everyone in the SPORT.

    Mayweather/KLITS (Germany), Froch (England), Adonis/Pascal (Montreal)

    Why exactly would Ward move DOWN to 160? Golovkin called out all the 168 champions, does he want everyone to move down to face him? Fk that ****. If you're going to call someone else, then you have to make some sacrifices. In this case, move to 168 and beat the champ in that weight class.

    Golovkin can make 168 if he wanted.

    There is absolutely negative you can say about the Dawson fight.

    The fight was for the Super Middleweight titles, not the LHW titles.

    The fight was at 168 (Dawson called him out at 168) on the HBO broadcast and the fight was agreed by both parties to be at that weight class. Dawson knew that he had to make 68 and it's his obligation as a professional to do so.

    Froch knows that Ward will be robbed in England and be the victim of corrupted British refereeing, dumb scorecards. I think Ward knows this and that's why he refuses to fight there.

    And plus, the fight should be in Oakland. Ward is the undisputed champ in that weight class and Froch wants the titles/glory of beating Ward. Ward definitely should have the upper hand in negotiations.
     
  14. MVC!

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    Learn what the word, relevance means in boxing

    There is no way HBO would pay almost 2.1 million to Ward if he wasn't a popular draw.

    What do they gain out of it?

    Please explain this

    They know that Ward is clearly the biggest name outside of Pacquiao/Marquez in their stable of fights and he deserves that kind of payday.

    And please tell me how Adama/Golovkin did. Rofl.
     
  15. Farmboxer

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    When Kessler fought Ward, it was in Ward's home town with his referee, judges, boxing commission, etc. Kessler was the champion, yet he had to travel over seas to fight Ward. Ward got away with head butts, elbows, holding, but the head butt in the last round was an intentional, illegal headbutt, but Ward's ref did nothing...........Ward had all of his fights in Oakland, Ward was the only fighter in his tournament who did not have to travel to another country, except the last one which was in Atlantic City, NJ, USA, Froch ( Froch is from UK, not USA) had to travel across the ocean from UK. Froch had fought in America more than once before that, he fought Taylor in USA, not to mention many other fights. Abraham had to fight in America, etc.,

    KLITSCHKOS have fought in Ukraine, Germany, Russia, Switzerland, London, England, America many times, such as Madision Square Garden, New York, New York, USA. not to mention Las Vegas, Atlantic City, LA..........

    Again, Froch has fought outside his home town, and country many times, so has Abraham, Klitschkos. When Vitali stopped Arreola, that fight was in Arreola's turf, LA, Calif. It was HBO's top rated fight of that year. STEVENSON called out Ward live on HBO, said he would fight Ward at 175 or even go down to 168, but Ward refused to even answer him...........As far as Ward knocking out both Klitschkos, well, let's see him do it, of course he would have to fight Vladimir, since Vitali has retired to run for president of Ukraine. Vlad would easily knock Ward out cold..............Ward sued his promoter Goosen, lost the suit, is now suing him again after all they have done for him. They gave him everything...............so now Ward might be tied up for a while. I don't know, you can ask him.........

    Golovkin is a very popular fighter, has a great future and said he would go up in time, but not for one fight at 168 for peanuts. Marvin Hagler fought at 160 his entire career, Hopkins fought at 160 for many years before he went up. Ward could easily make 175, fight Kovalev, Stevenson, Shumenov, etc. So, if Ward wants a fight with Golovkin he will have to wait until Golovkin gets his big money fights against Martinez, Geale, Quillin, Murray, etc. Ward wants everyone to fight at his weight on his terms and making only peanuts for a payday...............