Andre Wards options???

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bailey, Mar 24, 2013.


  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    39,977
    3,108
    Dec 11, 2009
    Andre Wards options???

    At the present time SMW and LHW are not a very strong divisions.
    Wards best win was unwell Kessler who had been beaten when undefeated by the previous champ when he was old and past best, yet that is still the second best SMW behind Ward even now.
    There are new up and coming SMWs coming through, but Ward does not have undefeated champs in the division to face, and when he did in Bute, he didnt seem to want to know.
    I think Ward was a bit nervous about facing Bute. That would have been Wards biggest win if he had of taken it and won.

    So what are Wards options?

    The winner of the Kessler/Froch rematch? - Old ground against already previously beaten fighters, but both Froch and Kessler have done what Ward hasnt and beaten an undefeated SMW champ. Both are getting older and past best, but this could be Wards best option at SMW?

    The winner of Bute/Pascal? - Problem is Pascal has already been beaten by a fighter in his middle 40s and Ward didnt seem want to face Bute previously at SMW. If Bute wins and looks good, I dont think Ward will go to LHW, and think he will stay at SMW away from Bute.

    Steiglitz? - Could be better than thought as Steiglitz has a good workrate, which Ward looks to struggle as fights go on and Steiglitz has beaten as many current SMW champs as Ward and done what Ward hasnt done in beating an undefeated SMW champ.

    Cleverly? - At LHW. Nathan is an undefeated champ and Ward hasnt faced one of those before

    That seems like the only real options, the rest are unaccomplished fighters where Ward will have more to lose than gain.
    The fighters below, may well go on to have good careers but have yet to developed

    A Stevenson? - Beaten by a journeyman, hasnt done enough at SMW yet. Nothing to gain for Ward
    J DeGale? - Beaten by Groves, hasnt done enough at SMW yet. Nothing to gain for Ward
    G Groves? - Hasnt done enough at SMW yet. Nothing to gain for Ward
    Periban? - Hasnt done enough at SMW yet. Nothing to gain for Ward
    Oousthuizen? - Hasnt done enough at SMW yet. Nothing to gain for Ward
    Rodriguez? - Hasnt done enough at SMW yet. Nothing to gain for Ward


    I think if Bute beats Pascal convincingly then Ward/Bute at LHW would be Wards best option, but thats just my opinion.
    What do you think?

    Discuss
     
  2. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

    25,548
    203
    Sep 11, 2011
    get Calzaghe out of retirement

    the war between the Ward and Calzaghe fans here would be epic
     
  3. irishny

    irishny Obsessed with Boxing banned

    15,119
    9
    May 8, 2009
    Beat Froch/Kessler winner.

    Maybe fight Stieglitz,or whoever beats Stieglitz.

    Then rock on up to 175 and dominate another division.
     
  4. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

    2,732
    21
    Dec 22, 2009
    His options are limited at this point which is very unfortunate considering the talent he possesses.
     
  5. Dece Bal

    Dece Bal Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,550
    1
    Mar 28, 2010
    Ward has more options than anyone else at 168-175.
     
  6. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,214
    8
    Jul 21, 2007

    that would almost be as bad as fighting RJJ after the second Tarver fight (he would deserve zero credibility). He should invent time travel and beat calslappy in his prime (oh but wait Joe would only fight him if he got the crown jewels):lol:.
     
  7. El Lucho

    El Lucho Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,696
    0
    Dec 4, 2010
    lh - X/dawson II/pascal - bute winner

    sm - kessler - froch winner/adonis/direll
     
  8. David UK

    David UK Boxing Addict banned

    5,986
    1
    Feb 6, 2007
    His options aren't as limited as his bank balance. No one wants to watch Andre Ward fight and Ward isn't confident enough to take big money fights outside the USA
     
  9. FloydPatterson

    FloydPatterson Boxing Addict banned

    6,610
    3
    Apr 6, 2012
    Bute-Pascal winner I guess. If not, then then Froch-Kessler Winner, then move up for Dawson 2
     
  10. Dece Bal

    Dece Bal Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,550
    1
    Mar 28, 2010
    Yeah, most of the big money fights are in the opponent's back yard: Kessler, Froch, Pascal, Bute, Cleverly...

    ...but there are good money fights to be made in Oakland too - with all the Americans - and all the top SMWs would travel to fight Ward in Oakland anyway...
     
  11. Boxalot

    Boxalot Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,094
    0
    Apr 8, 2010
    Super-Middleweight is as strong as ever, Bailey.

    Ward is arguably the greatest ever at the weight and is an elite fighter, Kessler and Froch are both amazing fighters and then you have Stieglitz and AA who have put on two entertaining fights against each other. Lucian Bute is still a top fighter and young guns like George Groves, James DeGale, Oosthuizen, Stevenson, Dirrell brothers etc are up and coming. The division is stacked!
     
  12. DrMo

    DrMo Team GB Full Member

    22,198
    20
    Jan 29, 2011
    This is true, Calzaghe's 0 means a lot to Bailey
     
  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    39,977
    3,108
    Dec 11, 2009
    Thing is it is all either old ground against old past best fighters or unaccomplished rivals. The only option is if Bute wins and looks good or Cleverly
    Against who? How?
    He only had the previous champs leftover to chew on and that is it

    Maybe he will need to take his show on the road a bit like former American SMW champ B Mitchell, who really did give it a go. After beating Liles he travelled and fought Girard, Ottke and Calzaghe. I think Ward lacks a bit of confidence outside of his comfort zone.
    American SMWs dont seem to do well in big fights in Europe, which I guess his team looked at, so doubt he will do it
    Thats the problem, they are not top draw for him.
    He doesnt have an undefeated rival to get into and lost the chance with Bute.

    Not neccessarily, but do note that undefeated world champs often carry a greater air of confidence that makes them harder to beat. Take Bute before and after the Froch loss
     
  14. One Round

    One Round Hertfordshire's Finest Full Member

    2,964
    15
    Nov 24, 2008
    According to his fans Ward could swan over to Nottingham or Copenhagen any time he likes and beat Froch and Kessler with one hand tied behind his back. So I don't know why he doesn't just do that. Sounds like easy money.
     
  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    39,977
    3,108
    Dec 11, 2009
    All the Americans???? Dirrell who hasnt beaten anyone of real not? Periban who hasnt done anything? Who are you reffering to?
    Stevenson got beat by Boone, who has many losses.
    Groves and DeGale are coming on well and look like they could do something, but they have not reached any top level yet. Same with Oousthuizen, who has he beaten?
    They would all be a step back for Ward at this time, though I wouldnt blame Ward if he chose to get them now, before the develop. He could get wins that may look similar to Jones win over Hopkins which looked better over time than a nothing win when it happened
    His 0 means nothing to me, but I bet it means alot to him as I expect it would to most fighters.
    Do you think a fighter is better when they keep losing and get beaten? Fighters like Mayweather who can keep winning are great for that very reason, not because they get beat by unknowns