Andy Lee to face Sergio Martinez 4 the WBC middleweight title in New York next March!

It'd be rotten if this is on the same night as Casey/Rigo, I'd hate to have to chose between the two. I'd bet which one I go to, I'd chose the wrong one, and the other guy would pull off an amazing win. That'd be just my luck

 

Lee is potentially world class. Munroe is far from ever being world class. Don't just reel off the average guys Munroe beat, who they sparred with and who thought he would beat Nishioka. He was way out of his depth against Nishioka in every way possible. Lee may well be out of his depth against Martinez but not to the same extent.

I would say power and skill are very relevant in this fight. Lee has more than enough skill to land even on the mighty Martinez and enough power to trouble him when he does. That's how Lee differs from Munroe.

 

Skill? Lee isn't skilled. His defence is atrocious. Fast hands and pretty punching for 6 rounds is not skill. Skill is knowing how to move, how to adapt in a ring and how to not get hit. Martinez is actually skilled, Lee is just a very athletic kid with severe holes in his boxing technique.

Everything Lee has Martinez neutralizes. Southpaw check. Speed check. Power check. With the added bonus his stamina is not questionable, he's had better experiences in terms of he's had to adapt to tougher situations in the ring, he's not a sitting duck for punches.

 

I'm not sure why you're laughing. If he had well rounded boxing skill he wouldn't have lost to a limited gatekeeper like Brian Vera. All Brian Vera does is walk kids down and try to entice them into a brawl, he's tough and game thats it. Skill is not just punching fast for a few rounds. You're too easily impressed with the aesthetics of it. Loads of people can punch fast, it takes a lot more than that and the rest of Lee's game was brutally shown up and brought to our attention against Vera.

And I don't see how he's improved fighting nobodies.

 

How the **** would you know what impresses me? When did I ever mention fast punching?? In your estimation, because Lee lost to Vera he has no skill? Are you saying he won't land on Martinez?

I undertand now why you were so offended by the Munroe comparsion, I seem to remember you saying Nishioka was ****ed in the 3rd round and there was no way he could come back from what Munroe was dishing out to him. Talk about biased.

 

I also picked Nishioka to win at the start by UD which is more important than an off hand comment during the fight. Nice try though.

You're naive if you think Lee is skilled boxer. I've seen a few posts by people seemingly surprised that Lee has not made the transition from the amateurs. You don't need to look far to see why thats the case, because as a professional he's not actually a well rounded skilled boxer, far from it. He's a good long puncher with speed, which is why he was a good amateur but he doesn't have the core skills of a professional.

1. His stamina and durability are questionable.
2. He can't defend himself, Vera was tagging him with slow, telegraphed right hands right from the early going. 50% of having skill is being able to defend yourself.
3. He can't fight inside to save his life, he's like a flapping duck when somebody gets within that reach of his. If he had a bit more of a clue it would help as he tires and people get inside on him, like Vera did.

So to summarize, he can't defend himself inside or outside. He can't fighting offensively inside. He can fight very well offensively on the outside. Yet this is a 'skilled' boxer.

 

Instead of trying to take this off topic, try and stay on it and debate the key points I made about Lee's boxing skill.

Start with his defence and inside fighting ability.

Are you unable?

 

I know this isnt related to the thread but i like the way Andy gooes to the body for such a tall long range boxer. You dont see many tall fighters hit the body the way andy does:good

 

It's pretty obvious you can't debate, you don't have a clue about boxing. Personal insults are more your forte. Thats fine, I just wish you'd present some kind of boxing argument along with it but I don't think you're able. You're a clueless puppet for Irish boxing nothing more, everyone thinks the same.

Watching the first few rounds of Lee/Vera I'm actually laughing at the idea he's skilled. He's getting hit with the most obvious punches imaginable, Vera is walking in with his hand cocked to throw a right hand and it lands from the god damn outside. He's not even inside and he can land. When he gets inside Lee flaps around and grabs with both arms, almost in a state of panic. I'm watching his best rounds of the fight here. How dare I criticize the wonderfully skilled boxer thats so clearly mastered all facets of the games en route to a 7 round TKO loss to the mighty Brian Vera.

 

Durabilty and stamina are now skills apparently?

He cannot defend himself inside or out, has questionable durability yet has only been stopped once, on his feet, in fact he has never been put down even once as a pro. Some feat for a guy with questionable durabilty and no defense don't you think?

He can't fight offensively on the outside or inside yet he scores knockdowns in almost all his fights and has a 72% ko rate.

To summarize, you are talking ****.