Andy Lee v. Brian Vera II

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by diamondDave, Mar 24, 2008.


  1. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Agreed. That was one of the worst stoppages I've seen in awhile. Vera may very well have gone on to win, but on the other hand, Lee might have weathered the storm and come back. It was a shame that the fight had to end on such a bogus stoppage. Refs call fights WAY too quickly these days.
     
  2. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Lee would win the rematch. The ref stopped the fight while Lee was still throwing punches which is a no no in boxing and always has been. Do we really want refs to stop fights too soon?
     
  3. Shamrock

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    You're right farmy, in a way? The Ref may have saved Lee from possible head damage, he was the one could see into Lees eyes.
     
  4. KnockOutNetwork

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    Rematch Between Vera And Lee Unlikely
    March 25th, 2008
    Going into Friday night’s middleweight bout at Mohegan Sun, all the talk was surrounding Andy Lee, the highly touted Irish kid being trained by the legendary Emanuel Steward.

    But by the end of the seventh round, the question that everyone had was ‘Who is Brian Vera?”

    Vera survived an early knockdown and stoppage Lee at the end of the seventh round, giving him an improbable career boost.

    After the fight, there was talk of a rematch from the Lee camp and promoter Lisa Elovitch, who put on the show for ESPN2’s ‘Friday Night Fights’.

    However, a rematch seems unlikely if you listen to Jeff Wald, the Executive Producer of the Contender, the reality show that Vera starred on in this last season.

    “Under no circumstances will there be a rematch,” Wald told TheKnockoutNetwork. “Been there, done that. It’s time for Brian to move up. There’s no reason to fight (Lee) again.”

    (TheKnockoutNetwork.com)
     
  5. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I actually agree with this. There is no real reason for Vera to grant Lee a rematch. The stoppage was, perhaps, a bit premature, but Vera started landing the right in round 2, and with each passing round the right came harder and more often. Beginning in round 4 Vera started getting to Lee with the double jab AND the right hand. Vera won rounds 4, 5, and 6. The ref could have let the fight go a bit longer, but there was no real reason to allow Andy Lee to eat 12 or 15 more right hands. In the end Lee was battered, bloody, and out of gas, but Vera was unmarked with plenty of energy.

    Vera needs to learn to throw straight punches all the time instead of half the time. He needs to tighten up his defense, improve his finishing skills, and learn to stay calm. All in all he has bigger fish to fry than Andy Lee. If his team handles things correctly there are one or two real nice paydays in his future. That's what he should focus on in my opinion.

    Boo
     
  6. JERMZ BOXING

    JERMZ BOXING Mr. Know-it-all Full Member

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    haha...what did u want, lee comatosed??? ANDY LEE is just a stiff pole with a heavy left...THATS IT....honestly, he blows...this was no quick stoppage and no upset....vera was the best he's faced and I predicted that vera was gonna stop him... and he did, sooner or later...vera has always been a c+ fighter, andy lee is like a D...FINALLY they shut these ****ing lee fans up...
     
  7. diamondDave

    diamondDave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am not a Lee fan but a bad stop is a bad stop. Think about how many fights would have turned out different if fights were stopped like this?
    Tony Galento would have knocked out Joe Louis in the second round! Ali would have had the fight faved off when George Foreman hit him against the ropes! Frazier would have been stopped in his first fight with Bonavena! Kevin Howard would have beat Ray Leonard!

    Vera was in as bad a shape as Lee was, both men were tired. But Lee was punching back and in the center of the ring! THE WORSE stoppage in a long long time!!!!
     
  8. Shamrock

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    Putting it like that then I have to agree with you. I had thought about Lee's head taking so much thumping, it (stoppage) was a tad too quick, the next 20seconds might have told a differant story. Was the Ref ever questioned on how he saw it?
     
  9. Hermit

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    Don't really have to ask the ref. Look at him. He was there just waiting for the next unblocked blow to land to stop it. It isn't just a matter of punching back. It is also being in good enough shape to defend yourself. That is why the stoppage looked strange. He had already decided Lee was done. Again, some one reported on the front page that he was in attendence and could see Lee's eyes rolled up from there.
     
  10. Motor City Sam

    Motor City Sam Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True. Most people clamoring for a rematch are Lee's handlers and his fans. Vera should do what is best for him. If a rematch is where he makes the most money, he should consider it. But if going a different way provides him with better opportunities, so be it. He is under no obligation to give Lee another shot. There was no rematch clause.
     
  11. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Well -- to quote Uncle Roger; "If it don't make money, it don't make sense." Vera can parlay this win into bigger and better things. And, if anyone showed they're ready for the next step up, it was Vera, not Lee. I think if Vera could calm down and not get so wild when he has a guy hurt, throw straight punches all the time instead of half the time, and tighten up his defense, he could beat guys like Ornelas, and a few others.

    Boo
     
  12. Shamrock

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    Thats why you listen to the Refs explanation! He was the man looking into the eyes of the boxer. :smoke :good
     
  13. diamondDave

    diamondDave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is still pro boxing, not amateur boxing. Guys getting hurt is the name of the game. A good ref has to balance the safety of the fighters against the interest of the fighters. Otherwise refs should just wave off every fight at the first sign of trouble because boxing by its very nature is dangerous. It is too easy to give the ref a pass just because he erred on the side of caution.
     
  14. JETSKI

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    As soon as I set eyes on Lee last Friday, I started laughing my ass off saying "this is the guy thats gonna challenge Pavlik one day?" You think KP is tall & slim? This guy looks like Motumbo in the ring. Very disproportionate. Plus, I didn't see any outrageous skills.

    Pavlik KO 2.

    And no, I don't think a rematch is necessary. Lee was one punch away from having his lights put out. I don't care that he was still swinging when it was stopped.
     
  15. decyboy86

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    I think this fool hasnt taken his pills today.Did lee get knocked out?NO. will vera walk through lee in a rematch? NO. if vera and lee meet again its going to be a win for lee,that i will put money on. The kid is young, was starting to believe his hype a little bit with all that manny was talking about him matching up with pavlik and yes, he was poorly prepared for the fight. But to say this guy is a duck fighter? i will be laughing posting on the first thread to discuss lee's win if these two meet again.

    Then onwards and upwards for lee,the sky's the limit.UP THE IRISH:happy