Andy Lee

Lee is good but I think he stands too stright up with very little head-movement which makes him easy to hit, also he seems to get cut alot in his fights. I think a switch in trainers would benefit him instead of Steward licking his arse.

 

Barker by wide pts.

 

Macklin is a lot better than Lee and his style is suited towards beating Lee aswell, he's World Class. Lee however is not, and cannot handle when fighters swarm him and as pointed out is ridiculously open to the right hand. Macklin has a very good right hand and he'd land it all night on Lee and get a stoppage, dominating the whole fight.

Lee wouldn't beat Barker either, even though Barker isn't a big puncher he is very slick and Lee would have a tough time controlling him and keeping him outside.

Andy Lee will not become the fighter many had hoped, he's very flawed and although he could potentially beat someone like Sturm who'll box with him. He won't beat top 10 guys who are aggressive and put a lot of pressure on him. Even Alexander Sipos caused him big problems and Sipos is quite a way off World level.

 

Usual bollocks!

Duddy

name names! who was hyping Duddy?

Its the biggest myth that Duddy is/was hyped. Was Duddy more popular than fighters more talented than he is? yes - but being over popular doesnt equate to being over hyped.

Everyone knows what Duddy is - and thats why he gained his poipularity.

Dunne

Back as far as the Vorinon fight people knew that Dunnes chin was suspect. Everyone knew he had the talent but lacked the punch resistance.

That was shown again in the Kiko fight and most people said that Cordoba would beat him as well - so again where is the hype? what was the hype?

Lee

Fair enough, Manny came out from day one and said he would be a future Hall of Famer!

As for the "idiots you have commentating on RTE" - I think you will find that that should be singular - "idiot" - the guy you are referring to is Jimmy Magee. For some reason he is very popular in Ireland - I think he is actually a bit of a cult figure because he talks shiite, a bit like Stuart Hall.

You've let yerself down with that cliched bullshiit mate.

 

Defenitly Lee

 

Lee takes Barker for me but Macklin takes Lee.

No reason, just what I think.

Overhyped Irish fighters? I think they are largely given the credit they deserve. Good or bad.

the exception being Paul McCloskey. He was totally underhyped going in to the Colin Lynes fight. It was like a revelation to Johnny Nelson how good this guy was when the boxing following public in Ireland already had a fairly good idea. No hype at all in that case.

 

Lee needs to step up in level of fighters. I think he takes his eyes off the fight if he is fighting a lesser boxer than him. I think if he is matched with better fighters we will see just what Andy Lee is all about. He needs a couple of tricky hard fights he is still young and if managed right could go far. Has punch power but has to work on his defence. Look at the fights that is out there for Lee there are some good tests out there which he should look at taking as they are better than some of the fights he has been getting elsewhere.

 

I'm a big Andy Lee fan, but im realistic enough to see his flaws. Very poor head movement, generally bad defence and his jab isnt all that great to be honest. What he does have is decent KO power from both hands, a very strong chin and a lot of heart. Also being a southpaw, he's very difficult to fight against.
His flaws can be worked on, but i'm not too convinced they've done enough since the Vera fight.
At the moment I reckon he beats Duddy and gives the likes of Macklin and Sylvester very good fights that could go either way.
And Lee Mc, your talking **** about 'Irish hype jobs'. You just choose to listen to the people who hype up these fighters (Dunne & Duddy). But if you actually took on board what realistic boxing fans (vast majority) we all mentioned the major flaws in Dunne and Duddy, you and plenty of other people decided not to take that on board though...Everyone knows Dunne has a glass jaw, everyone knows Duddy is simply a brawler, but we acknowlede these things and still get behind our fighters. Its NOT hype, its just simply called supporting your fighter.
Id like to know what sort of football-fans-come-boxing fans you were talking to who said they thought Duddy would beat Pavlik. For the record, before his defeat my view on that particular match up was that it would go maybe 6 rounds with duddy getting stopped on cuts or maybe a towel being thrown in...

 

Thats exactly what he is, just a cult figure..He's there to be kinda laughed at with all the funny **** he comes out with. People shouldnt really take it to heart.
Kinda like Bernard Hopkins when he's co-promoting a fight, he pops up in every picture, dont get annoyed by it , laugh at it and enjoy it...

Dave Boy Mcauley does get on my nerves though, 'Cracking shot' every two ****ing seconds.......I'd still rather RTE than any of that SKY bull****, particularly for the post fight analysis. If only they could get Buncey onto the RTE panel that would be great

 

It would be.

Duddy has been on there guesting, as has Lee. Jim Rock is decent. None of those are too far removed from the action, so its a good perspective to have.

Lee in particular speaks well of his craft.

I think RTE in general has a more critical panel for all pro sports. The cartoonish George Hook and Eamon Dunphy for Rugby and Football respectively. That aside, there is a level of debate you just don't get with BBC/Sky/ITV. I think Souness said he enjoyed the freedom RTE gives him...as much as I dislike the man.

I had two friends from England over for the last world cup. England were playing portugal. The deal was we watch the BBC commentary, but the RTE panel. They were shocked at the forthright nature of the panel. same apples for boxing imho.

 

There is no comparison when it comes to the football panel..No holds barred on RTE......Better than listening to Jamie Redknapp talking shite and sitting on that great big fence of his..

 

Yeah the football on it is great everyones opinions are let out although Dunphy can be annoying sometimes

 

again, I have a tendency just to laugh at the things dunphy says.....

 

True, its brilliant when the whole studio turns on him, Souness is also a lot better on RTE

 

andy lee,terrific fighter with so much skill that he is yet to translate into pro success.

his career lacks so much direction it's crazy,he was shaping up well until the vera defeat where i everyone knows that if you have title asporations you should not get into that sort of struggle with.

his rangy jab, is just that, rangy it lacks power snap or conviction, i'm sure that he can make it work he just seems lazy when throwing it out.
his punch variety is very nice though,his ability to throw an uppercut from the outside is great to see and he has a very nice hook to go along with it. it just seems alot of the time that his workrate isnt there, he circles from the outside fighting from the backfoot when with his physical advantages he should be putting his opponent on the backfoot jabjabhooks the simple things he can do yet so often he fails to do.

his inability to fight from the inside is so frustrating and is a major problem,top fighters spot this a mile off and will work to get inside him rather than box him, and unless andy can improve this he aint going anywhere fast.

he has all the assets in place, his skills,marketability a hof trainer and a great base in NYC, he needs a decent promoter to get him the fights he needs and manny needs to realise andy's flaws so he can translate his promise into results.

at the minute i see matty macklin taking a ud and andy uding barker in a snoozefest.