Let’s not forget that Joshua had beaten: - Wlad KO11 - Povetkin KO7 - Whyte KO7 - Parker UD12 (who Ruiz had fought to a razor-close MD in New Zealand) At the time when Ruiz got off the canvas to drop Joshua four times and make him quit in 7. And while GOAT cruiser and southpaw heavyweight Usyk was more consistent and dominant as a pointfighter vs Joshua, he didn’t drop or stop Joshua once over 24 rounds. Ruiz was a 25/1 underdog facing a 22-0 unified titlist who was effectively billed as a 6’6, 248 lbs, 24/7 athlete version of Mike Tyson. The three Mexican heavyweights who had challenged before Ruiz had a combined record of 0-6 (6 KO defeats) in world title fights. Barring location, everything was against Ruiz in theory but he overcame adversity where others did not and found a way to win decisively. Ruiz beat Joshua primarily not due to luck but because he’s the better fighter in a slugfest, hence Joshua ran for dear life in the rematch. Ruiz’s fast and accurate counters to the temple (also seen vs Ortiz) would have probably compromised Joshua in the rematch as well had Joshua decided to exchange again. Even when relatively untrained at 284 lbs in the rematch, Ruiz still went 12 rounds and was never in any real trouble. Whatever is said about Ruiz’s strengths and weaknesses, there are at least two and perhaps three respects where Ruiz is (brace yourself) the best heavyweight champion of all time: ease of underestimation, potential for humiliation and handspeed (Holyfield claimed that Andy had the fastest hands of any fighter he shared a ring with). Late sub Ruiz was grotesquely obese (surpassing Tony Galento as the fattest contender in boxing history), very stubby, lead-footed, seemingly underpowered and not from a nation traditionally associated with heavyweight boxing, with a babyface and a soft, disarming demeanour to boot. So prior to Joshua 1 especially, a big punching favourite was far more likely to fight Ruiz’s fight and trade with him, find himself in big trouble and be overwhelmed by the pressure (psychological as much as physical). June 1st 2019 Ruiz would have been a banana skin opponent for any impetuous heavyweight in history.
It's a bit odd you posting this now (when Fury is about to fight him, funnily enough) considering your main criticism of AJ is losing to him using rather disparaging words about Ruiz in the process. He's either good or he isn't, pick one.
Ruiz was certainly underrated when he first fought Joshua, but I think most serious HW boxing fans already knew he was a far better opponent that the one he was replacing (Jarrell Miller). However, winning that fight seemed to be the absolute worst thing to happen for his career, as he got complacent and lost his fire. His underwhelming showing against Joshua in the second fight was enough to prove that, but the fact that he's had only two fights since 2019 (both unimpressive wins against past their prime fighters) just says to me that he's most likely never going to be a significant presence again. To call him criminally underrated is a massive overstatement at this time and place.
I like him a lot and still rank him #6. He was in a close, close fight with Ortiz though. Who is he going to fight?
The real man who is often over looked and is seriously underrated is John McDermott. let's look at the facts. Let's see who he beat. Matt Skelton. Who put up a brave effort fighting for the World title and only just losing on points. Big Larry O. The KO machine, dubbed the British Wilder. John Boy iced him in the first round. Danny Williams. The man who destroyed Mike Tyson. Big John was robbed twice against Danny.
We saw his last 2 fights................. He was outboxed by Ortiz but fortunately saved by the fact that Wilder destroyed Ortiz's durability. He went life and death with not even the ghost of but a whisp of the ghost of Arreola. That ain't underrating anyone, that's believing your eyes. Bringing up wins from 8 years ago, along with a outstanding win from 4 years ago don't mean much when he's more recently looked worse, against worse opposition.
Hes talented for sure, i rate him. But for a shw who knows how to fight smaller fighters, Ruiz turn is very beatable. I think ruiz beats alot of fighters his size.
He's in the same class as the other one-hit wonder fringe contenders who upset a massive favourite to become a titlist/champion. He's certainly underrated at this point. But he's no match for the top 3 (Fury, Usyk, Wilder).
The piece isn't about "this time and place" per se. The dominant Ruiz narrative on the forum at this point as I see it is that Ruiz landed a lucky punch vs Joshua, won entirely based on that and there is nothing to recommend him aside from that. That is a p*ss-poor level of analysis in my book. I also don't believe that most "serious HW boxing fans" thought Ruiz was better than Miller, let alone "far better" (which is really just a Matchroom narrative whether people know it or not). Ruiz was about 4x the underdog Miller was for a start. Miller had also scored an impressive stoppage win over Wach, arguably Wach's first genuine stoppage loss. Ruiz had no stoppage wins of note and the only way A-side Joshua was losing to a fringe contender was by stoppage. Ruiz has blown hot and cold his whole career, mostly cold. So relatively lacklustre (though winning) performances vs Arreola and Ortiz don't say anything more than the lacklustre winning performances vs Liakhovich, Zumbano Love, Kevin etc. prior to demolishing Joshua. It's weird to call arguably the biggest upset win in heavyweight history "the worst thing that could happen to Ruiz's career". As it stands Ruiz's career has massively exceeded expectations. How many would have predicted he'd have had this much success when he turned pro, or at any point prior to that fateful day in 2019?
Ruiz was looking poor while winning vs the likes of Liakhovich, Zumbano Love and Kevin prior to demolishing Joshua. It's partly what made him so easy to underestimate and such a high pressure opponent when he had Joshua in trouble.
I scored Ruiz-Ortiz a draw but Ruiz knew that as the A-side he would get a close decision and managed the fight well in that regard, showing good pacing and IQ against a crafty southpaw. The outboxing style will always be his kryptonite but he capitalised enough in the exchanges to squeak it. Probably Fury on July 22nd.
Ruiz is gonna get flattened by Fury. Count on it. There's a reason why Fury wants this fight and its not because Ruiz is going to be a challenge for him. Stylistically and physically Ruiz is ideal for Fury to beat the crap out of.