Andy Ruiz has become criminally underrated

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ruiz will either lose 12-0 or get stopped. But this doesn't erase the fact that he did what Wlad, Povetkin, Whyte and Parker failed to do in battering and stopping Joshua.
     
  2. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If he's a one hit wonder, how on earth is he underrated? You in particular were rather scathing in his relatively recent performance against Arreola. But now because Fury is fighting him he's underated?
     
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  3. Sauron

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    I don't know about this forum, as I had been absent on here during that time, but in other places I didn't hear anyone but uber-biased Brits claiming that Ruiz landed a lucky punch. Most everyone else recognized that Ruiz was giving Joshua everything he could handle until he landed that shot to the temple.

    Again, I can really only speak for everywhere but this forum, but that certainly was not what I was hearing, or even what I had known from watching Ruiz's previous fights. Ruiz had already proven himself to be a tricky fighter who seemed to be ducked or rather just ignored, as he hadn't fought any notable opponents yet outside of his close decision loss to Parker. And stating that Miller had done anything impressive is just ignoring the fact that he popped twice for juicing, hence why Ruiz ended up getting a shot vs Joshua anyway. Miller was (and apparently still is) overrated by a large degree.

    Won't really argue with this, he has blown hot and cold, and seemed to have trouble letting his hands go when he needed to in many of his previous fights.

    I still don't get how people consider this one of the biggest upsets in heavyweight history. It's only considered that for people who had seen little to no of Ruiz's fights going into that one. I had already been following him for quite a while before that, though, and knew it was going to be a much tougher fight for Joshua than many expected. And I know that I wasn't alone in thinking that.
     
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  4. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He’s overrated. Old man Ortiz outboxed him and only lost by a point despite being dropped 3x.
     
  5. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think criminally underrated, most people rate him in the top ten. He's had 2 fights in the last 3 1/2 years against boxing geriatrics in which he won but looked less than stellar and before that he blew up in weight above his usual obese self to lose to AJ.

    Still a decent fight for Fury but Usyk is really what everyone wants first and rightly so.
     
  6. Sks476

    Sks476 Active Member Full Member

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    Ruiz is a decent fighter but realistically, Fury will toy with him.
     
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  7. AngryBirds

    AngryBirds Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I think Fury will destroy Ruiz and at some point, Ruiz awakens the inner hulk that lives within and he’ll just go haywire on Fury.
     
  8. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well he's a criminal, so...
     
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  9. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If he were dedicated to boxing he could be a terrific cruiser.
     
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  10. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Ruiz is massively overhyped and Sky played their part in it to limit the damage for their cash cow. He suddenly became this master boxer with amazing experience and punching instead of a game fat man who landed a big one on short notice and took advantage of it.
    He's done nothing special outside of the haymaker counter he landed on Joshua, which led to the TKO. So he doesn't deserve the hype he gets as a top fighter.

    Before Parker he did nothing. Protected like all the prospects.
    He had a close fight with Parker, but Parker was exposed as being not that special. An old Chisora did better against him than Ruiz.
    He was getting comfortably beat by Joshua then landed the shot after being heavily dropped.
    He was easily outboxed by Joshua in the rematch.
    He got dropped by a post-40 shot Arreola
    He beat a mid 40s shot Ortiz who had been wiped out by Wilder twice and had no punch resistance left.

    If he ends up producing a great boxing performance against Fury or someone else at the top and not ancient, it would help prove his merit, but until then it's all smoke and mirrors with him as a top fighter and he's just a one-hit wonder.

    It's also obvious he's dodged difficult fights for years. Plenty would have fought him as he's a short fat 'brand' HW without much power, but magically he's barely fought since the Joshua loss.
     
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  11. Marciano771

    Marciano771 New Member banned Full Member

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    Andy Ruiz is a total bum .
     
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    If he can actually have a second Buster Douglas moment against Fury, then i'll agree that he's criminally underrated. As much as i'd love to see that happen, it won't. Fury will smash him and then Ruiz probably won't get another title shot until all 4 of the big boys have retired.
     
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  13. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ruiz is good. But the issue is his feet are too slow for Fury. His fast hand speed could give Tyson issues but Tyson can just use his feet a lot faster and efficiently than Andy.
     
  14. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because his "one-hit" was among the best ever and virtually all boxers never accomplish something like that. It required exceptional qualities to pull it off, yet the typical claim these days is that Ruiz was just "lucky". Ruiz has become underrated whether Fury fights him or not.
     
  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "I had already been following him for quite a while before that, though, and knew it was going to be a much tougher fight for Joshua than many expected. And I know that I wasn't alone in thinking that."

    You weren't alone but there are 8 billion people on the planet so it's not saying anything. How many prominent people in the boxing industry (outside Ruiz's team) were picking Ruiz to win? Even Ruiz's former trainer Roach wasn't, I don't remember anyone prominent picking Ruiz and the polls on this forum would have been 95%+ Joshua. The overwhelming view was that it was a mismatch, hence the 25/1 odds. Miller by contrast was something like a 5/1 underdog. He'd failed drug tests but being juiced was only going to increase his chances of winning the fight, if the fight went ahead.

    The "lucky punch" narrative is probably the dominant one at this point. Perhaps this forum is disproportionately populated by "uber-biased Brits".