Andy Ruiz Jr vs Carl the truth Williams

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Why did you ignore every single could thing that Ruiz has done his career and focus on past prime performances? Why did you ignore Williams' crappy chin. I give you a C-.
     
  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didn't ignore Williams's chin this is exactly what I said.

    "Williams has some weaknesses like his chin is suspect and he's vulnerable to left hooks"

    The fights I brought up were Ruiz's best wins were they not ?

    And normally the fighters who got Williams out of there were big punchers like Weaver, Tyson, even the fights past his prime like Bruno, Morrison.

    I dont think Ruiz is a real big puncher like the fighters above.
     
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  3. NoNeck

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    You brushed over the Joshua win as if it were a fluke.

    Ruiz's other best performances were Hanks, Dimitrenko, and Hamer. He didn't go life and death with Arreola; he lost one or two rounds and ended up on a knee from a flash knockdown. He was out of shape for Liakovich, but that's what you focused on. He went tit for tat with a peak Parker, but you ignored that.

    Williams got dropped by Tillis and taken out early by an aging Weaver and Tyson. The only contender he beat was a post-Tyson Berbick. His claim to fame is winning some rounds against Holmes in a fencing match.
     
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  4. Oddone

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    Williams wins a boring jab fest with his massive reach and Andy's T-rex arms.
     
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  5. Dynamicpuncher

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    I never suggested the Joshua win was a fluke but I do think Ruiz did get a bit overrated because of that win.

    People thought of him as a puncher and thought of him as better than what he actually was.

    Ruiz struggled too much against a 40 year old past it Arreola.

    Ruiz out of shape vs Liakovich ? When he is not out of shape to be quite frank just look at that man. And again it also shows Ruiz is not really a puncher when he couldn't make an impression on a 38 year old Liakovich who had been stopped in 3 of his last 4 fights.

    Close fight vs a young Parker which is solid but I'd say Williams losing a highly controversial decision to Witherspoon is not much different.

    Just look at the styles of both fighters.

    You have 1 fighter who is short with T-Rex arms and slow feet in Ruiz.

    Vs a very tall outboxer in Williams who has a ridiculously long reach.

    I think stylistically Williams is a tough opponent for Ruiz.

    Could I see Williams getting careless and getting caught ? Absolutely. But again I'd argue Ruiz is not a puncher on the same level as the other fighters I mentioned.

    If Williams fights a disciplined fight on the outside using his jab its going to be a tough fight for Ruiz tactically.

    You see how Joshua shut out Ruiz by using similar tactics not getting involved on the inside and keeping it at range.
     
  6. NoNeck

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    Joshua, Austin, Dimitrenko, Johnson, Hanks, etc. were all about the size of Williams or bigger. Joshua was flat out bigger and superior. None of these guys could keep a prime Andy on the end of a jab. He wasn’t like Tua. He’d get to Williams and fold him.
     
  7. Cobra33

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    Sorry they both fought for the title with one receiving multiple chances.
     
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  8. SouthpawsRule

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    Prime Andy was surprisingly fast on foot and had a beautiful jab to the body, he walks Williams down and gets him with the left hook.
     
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  9. MarkusFlorez99

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    Ruiz is a short plodder and isn't a good ring cutter, he would catch Williams and capitalize 3/10 times but Ruiz isn't even a big puncher I'd bet on Williams, that's a bad match up for him.
     
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  10. NoNeck

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    If you need to expand the definition of contender to include people who never even came close to a Ring top ten ranking, it doesn't help your argument in the way that you so dearly want it to.
     
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  11. Cobra33

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    Like he did Joshua the 2nd time right? None of the above boxers had the ability to move like a Williams or even jab like a Williams.
     
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  12. NoNeck

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    Williams had a worse chin than all of them.
     
  13. mr. magoo

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    If Williams can avoid the left hook he might win a decision. But Carl can’t afford to get tagged too much
     
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