Andy Ruiz vs James Toney

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  1. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both at their best, I think it’s a good fight. Who do you like?
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Toney schools him
     
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  3. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Vargas was not an elite fighter Full Member

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    Ruiz would have beat everybody Toney fought, Toney would have struggled with a few of Ruiz`s opponents, the win over AJ is better than any win Toney had at heavyweight.
     
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  4. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Toney shows up at his best, he'd be 160lbs, but if he shows up in the shape he was for Jirov or Holyfield, Toney wins handily.
    If he shows up in the shape he was for Rahman or Peter, we'd have a closer fight.
     
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  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ruiz absolutely destroyed aj but lost to Parker

    Linear logic is unreliable
     
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  6. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Toney at heavyweight was at his best against punchers. He was great at counter punching powerful yet slow heavyweights. I would not put Ruiz in that category. An in shape top of his game Ruiz has very fast hands which could be a problem for the heavyweight version of Toney who was in his mid to late 30's.

    I think it's a very intriguing fight that I would probably favor Ruiz but it would not surprise to see Toney take him to school.
     
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  7. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, I should have clarified that I meant the best heavyweight Toney. James was brilliant against Holyfield, yet I tend to favor Ruiz here. His speed, bulk, and chin might’ve earned him a close decision.
     
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  8. Mark Anthony

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    He was too small when he fought Jirov, Ruiz would have destroyed Jirov or any other cruiserweight.
     
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  9. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Vargas was not an elite fighter Full Member

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    AJ beat Ruiz in a rematch.
     
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  10. northpaw

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    The Toney that lost to Sam Peter in the rematch would still beat the Ruiz that beat Joshua. It's a bad matchup stylistically for Fat Andy. Toney is too good on the counter against someone that can't move
     
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  11. Bigcheese

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    Very winnable fight for Toney at heavyweight
     
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  12. MarkusFlorez99

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    Ruiz was 280+. Did he even train
     
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  13. Pepsi Dioxide

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    Toney at his best,

    But at the buffet table even a legendary eater such as James Toney would be in trouble vs Ruiz
     
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  14. chico g

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    The bigger belly beats the smaller belly. Saying that though, I don't know what creature came in worse shape. Ruiz vs Joshua 2 or Toney vs Brown! Yikes what a debacle!
     
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  15. vast

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    Ruiz. He has the skills to beat Toney.
     
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