Another 120-108 Win For Ivan Calderon

So why do you think so highly of Yuri Arbachakov?

Lopez's wins over Sojaturong and Alvarez were good wins, very good. Considering Sorjaturong was the guy who stopped Gonzalez.

 

There isn't much out there for Iron Boy. He's gotta make the most with what hes got.

 

I may have mentioned yuris name here and there but i never held him in a top 50 of all times regard cuz he isnt one.

I never said lopez only fought bums, hes beat like 3 or 4 good fighters, but he was never given a real test that great fighters take.

Julio cesar chavez is kinda in the same light, he beat a bunch of okay fighters and hector camacho. Yet he always either was outclassed or struggled greatly against other top names like pernell and meldrick. This is why i think he would get beaten by many atg 135-140ers.

We never saw ricardo lopez against a true great.

 

:yikesSo...Rosendo Alvarez is what in your book? As for your comments on JCC...:-(

 

What has JCC done to prove he can beat tony canzoneri, barney ross, ike williams, etc. They beat much better fighters than him and hes so prone to getting outboxed.

 

You don't think the aforementioned fighters would pay a very high price in a bout with Jcc. Really, we are not talking about master boxers (Whitaker) here nor is JCC some face first brawler. You still did not answer the Alvarez question.

 

alaverz is a good fighter, atg, no.

JCC was getting soundly outboxed by meldrick taylor and had to rely on a fixed stoppage to win. His entire career is full of koing mediocre fighters. Head to head, hes so vulnerable to losing to most atgs. Chavez is the textbook definition of a robotic fighter.

 

:thinkYOu cannot be serious. Unfortunate stoppage, yes. FIXED stoppage and robotic fighter? Goodbye:hi:

P.S. your hate for JCC is showing (entire career full of ko'ing mediocore fighters:huh:---()

 

Yeah hes pretty robotic as a fighter, he will always have trouble with movers that can handle his pressure. I dont see him beating guys like pryor either.

Yeah it was a bs stoppage, 2 seconds left, hes up by the count of 6 and all of sudden its over, yeah right.

 

What has a guy like Canzoneri proven style-wise to make you think he can beat JCC? **** resumes, resumes don't fight, we're talking styles here, why does Canzoneri beat Chavez in your book? Again, don't bring resumes into this, I want to gauge what you've seen of Canzoneri. In order to play Chavez's game, you have to be of a Duran level to beat him, Canzoneri was not, he was a step or two below. He'd likely get outdone on the inside by Chavez and would have the cleaner punches scored on him.

 

Meldrick Taylor was duran's level? cuz he basically handed chavez a loss, unless u count the last 25 seconds and a bs stoppage.

The Meldrick Taylor fights tells me even shane mosley would have handled him.

 

Meldrick Taylor was a completely different style than Duran or Canzoneri, he opted to box, and when in close, use his handspeed to outland Chavez, not to hurt or outmuscle him. He was winning that fight on the basis of landing more, though in an actual sense, it was FAR from the one-sided fight everyone tries to claim it as(you've even stated that you had it 7-4 for Taylor pre stoppage, which you'll undoubtedly change to suit your argument now). Taylor was outlanding him, but Chavez was the one doing the damage and sticking to his plan, beating Taylor the hell up. In a 15 round fight, there's no question.

Again, let's get back to styles, why did you avoid the question at hand?

And by the way, Mosley would be an easier matchup style-wise for Chavez than Taylor.

 

Who has chavez beaten style-wise to prove he can handle canzonori, thats the real question. Canzonori fought the greats of all styles, chavez is the one that fought medicore opposition bar 3 fights against camacho, whitaker and meldrick.

 

On top of that, chavez beat rocky lockridge by a hair and struggled heavily with laporte. Lou Duva always knew how overrated he was, thats why he enjoyed putting his fighters against him and establishing the blueprint to beat chavez.

 

Yea, Rosario was mediocre, as proven by his fight with Camacho(a prime Camacho at that, not the further removed from prime version that faced Chavez).

And honestly, the closest comparison would the Rosario fight, style-wise anyway. Canzoneri was aggressive, but he could box as well, but more or less would be outlanded by JCC's more crisp, technical punching, especially on the inside. I don't see Canzoneri as quite on the same level head to head as guy like Ortiz either, and again, he has nothing style-wise that would hinder Chavez, like a few other LW's.