Another 120-108 Win For Ivan Calderon

Let's get off of young, 130 pound Chavez, who I've always maintained was not as good as the Chavez of 135 and 140.

 

Why not, he was still a p4p fighter. I am not trying to hate on chavez, but he certainly ranks lower head to head than accomplishment wise. Sure people love to put chavez in thier top 25, but i would have a hard time putting him at top 25 head to head. Someone like Aaron Pryor would beat him handily, i dont think it would even be close.

 

Calderon is a P4P

 

agree.:good

 

I don't understand the leap that was made from talking of Ricardo Lopez to Julio Cesar Chavez. Chavez DID go up in weight looking to fight great fighters, CHavez DID fight plenty of good fighters, Chavez DID beat plenty of good fighters too. Lopez didn't.

OK, Chavez didn't beat any great fighters, but hell, Lopez hardly beat any GOOD fighters, to say nothing of great ones. Bit of a distinction there.

As for Calderon, yes, I agree with pimp that he should move up and try and make some legacy fights. Beating **** fighters in textbook fashion does not a legend make.

 

Calderon vs Lopez?

 

The Iron boy is king of little men.

 

Any how to get this fight online or anything? I wish we could see more of Iron Boy

 

Prime for prime? Lopez by KO.

 

Lopez would stop him in less than 8 rounds.

However, Calderon should be on some P4P lists now.

 

Unlike Calderon Ricardo had great power at minumweight. Also Ricardo had a better stance, better arsenal and would, in mind, knock out Ivan Calderon in a h2h matchup.

 

I guess Meldrick Taylor, Hector Camacho, Juan Laporte, Edwin Rosario, Rocky Lockridge, Roger Mayweather, Jose Luis Ramirez, Ruben Castillo, etc were just "good" fighters.

 

:good


hes so good , he could make anybody look like amateurs, too much lateral movement, oustanding boxer, wich he was taller so he could have get the money and respect he deserved.

 

Yes.....not one of them would make a Top 100 ATG list (or top 150 in most cases). Whitaker was his shot at beating a top ATG. Chavez is the only Top 30 ATG I have ever seen that never beat a great fighter.

I think Chavez is underrated though. He rarely gets mentioned among the best ever at 140, and he is certainly top 3.

 

I had him top 10 before everyone agreed with this, but now he's top 15 at best, after the performance against Cazares, nothing more than a B fighter.

The 120-108 here is nice, shows he's not declined horribly, but Dieppa is nothing but a C-C+ fighter at the end of the day and that's that.

That close one with the guy before Cazares is a negative also.

I'm not downing Calderon, but he's nearing the end of his career and people have jumped on too late IMO. He was P4P before people started messing around with lumping him in the top 10 just because some other people said so.

Top 15 and I'll say that Guzman has more a claim to being top 10 than Calderon on general performance and competition level, do you agree with that?