Another Fighter That Beats Foreman (Zaire)?

Toneys sample would not be clean though.

 

Probably

 

You sound stressed

 

I devastated those points. Want me to compose a ditty about it?

Great, so you agree that Frazier was chinny compared to Tua

What can Foreman do against Tua if he failed to KO Roberto Davila?

Old Foreman was more durable than 70s Foreman for one. Secondly, Tua will be much more able to take GF's punches than Lyle, Frazier and Cooney who did not have as good a chin as he did.

Feels like I scored another telling point here, but I'm too lazy to scroll back to see what it was exactly.

 

That's beside the point. You were comparing their power to Tua saying Tua was more proven in terms of power even though I explained to you countless times. the comparison was being made to Ali NOT Tua and yeah I agree there's guys Ali would KO who Briggs wouldn't. That means SFA in terms of punching power. It just means Ali is the overall superior puncher even if inferior in terms of punching power.

For example, Muhammad Ali stopped Billy Daniels while Cleveland Williams failed to do so on 2 occasions, yet it's clear as day to me Williams was the much much harder puncher.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression, punching power is the most important asset for producing a KO.

 

Liston being "extremely limited" is absurd. He defeated a wide variety of styles in his career, and his on the fly adjustments are second to none, as he demonstrated against Williams and Machen. Muhammad Ali also called him a scientific fighter and praised his abilities.

"I was young and a great admirer of Liston’s talent. He could do just about everything except dance. But outside of myself, there’s never really been a dancin’ heavyweight. Liston had a tremendous jab, could punch with either hand, was smart in the ring and as strong as any heavyweight I’d ever seen."

Why don't you go tell him what he got wrong?

He also had probably the most well rounded jab I've seen at heavy (perhaps after Ali). Not only was it absurdly powerful, but it was multi-faceted. Sometimes he employed the jab as a feint, used it to obscure the vision of his opponents, or purposely appeared to overreach to look vulnerable, and lure his opponents in.

 

I suggest you do some research on Joe Frazier,Ron Lyle and Ken Norton.

 

'' guys like Foreman and Liston are extremely limited '' ????.
Sonny Liston is,by consensus, regarded as one of the two greatest boxer-punchers in heavyweight-history,
the other being Joe Louis.
Look,I'm a huge fan of Joe Frazier and also of Ken Norton.But look what Big George did to those two guys !
You're contradicting yourself man.

 

Well for a start Ron Lyle,while being a very strong and powerful man in his own right,couldn't match the strength and punching power of Big George.Their fight proved that.
Yes Joe Bugner was a very fine fighter,and does tend to be underrated.However if Joe Frazier hadn't been uncharacteristically merciful in his fight with Bugner he would have taken out the big brit with a follow up punch.
There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Bugner could stand up to the punching power of Foreman.
If it weren't for considerable help from the spectators at ringside Dempsey would lost to Firpo.
Dempsey also lost twice to Willie Meehan,who was hardly an ATG.
Max Baer is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history from a technical point of
view.He was horribly clumsy and left himself wide open to just about any punch.
There is no way this guy beats George Foreman.

 

You've done nothing except troll for the most part because you have nothing.


Great, so you agree that Frazier was chinny compared to Tua [/QUOTE]
Well no, I don't. I've never seen Tua hit with punches nearly as hard as the ones Foreman laid out on Frazier. The one time he actually tasted power arguably near that level, he **** himself, went into a shell, happy to go the distance, to terrified to take any chances to win, as he didn't wanna risk getting hit that hard again.

He was also put on his ass by Rahman so no, I'm not confident at all that he can take those punches from Foreman.

But that's besides the point and another strawman you've manufactured.

This was your comment. "Foreman's best wins were over chinny, usually smaller guys that would stand in front of him and exchange bombs."

When I pointed out to you that Frazier wasn't chinny, or else he wouldn't have made it nearly as far as he did, you changed the goal post to "well yeah but he's chinny compared to Tua lolz"

Because Foreman failed to KO Davila, he's no chance of knocking Frazier and Norton out.

Likelike, Because Tua failed to KO Lester Davis, he would have no chance of knocking out.... wait a minute what ranked contenders did Tua KO again?

Again we could do this all night. Unfortunately, I'm not interested in intellectual dishonesty.

I disagree. Chins don't magically get better 20+ years later. It was his endurance that improved.

This is perhaps the only point you've actually made in good faith. Even if one buys this (I don't because again, Tua's never been hit with punches like the ones Frazier took from Foreman, as for Lyle, Foreman's power was decidedly inferior due to changes Clancy made to him, and his body mechanics to try to "correct" him and make him fight more traditionally) you could make the same argument with Chuvalo and we all know how well he did against Foreman.

You waxing lyrical about non-sense is what it was.

 

No cause to speculate. Their 2001 exhibition, where Toney was hurt pretty badly, tells us enough.

 

I know. You picked Leon Spinks as a live underdog against prime Foreman last time out, so clearly you don’t think much of he, or apparently Liston. Yet you seem impressed with Earnie Shavers. Does he KO them both in your estimation? I think each of them would turn him into roadkill.

 

^ See, now this is your own imagination and fantasy at work.

Foreman was put on his ass by Lyle so clearly he's going to have a problem against Tua. See, this works both ways.

... I pointed out that YDKSAB if you use that logic because Patterson was chinny AF and everybody knows it

1) I'm correct.
2) Which monster punchers did Frazier's chin ever survive against? Best dude in my opinion other than Foreman may have been cruiser-sized Bonavena and he sat Frazier on his ass a couple of times, see 1:31 :

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An iron chin indeed

You're the one that began this dance

Congratulations, you are wrong.

You have been infected by the Forteman virus. I'm not blaming you, it is what it is. Your posts on this subject seem decidedly ... what is the correct term ... ah, yes, fanboyish, to me.

 

What sample? They weren’t testing in Zaire.

 

Good point testing from Toney’s time when he popped…. compared to even a decade or three earlier? is pretty funny stuff, Lennox Lewis signed contracts saying specifically he wouldn’t be tested for steroids - Monzon just ignored urine testing at one point, walked out on it Evander Holyfield never failed a test.