Another Froch-Dirrell thread

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by spittle8, Oct 24, 2009.


  1. spittle8

    spittle8 Dropping Fisticuffs Full Member

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    I just saw & scored the fight, and this is my interpretation. I scored it 115-113 Dirrell (including the point deduction). I gave the sixth, seventh, eighth & twelfth rounds to Froch, including a tie in the ninth. The rest went to Dirrell. I think the best case scenario for Froch is a tie, including the point deduction. I think the point deduction was fair, and will explain why.

    In the post-fight interview, Froch explained that he had to hit Dirrell with rabbit punches because that was all Dirrell was giving him -- he was ducking low and staying there. He explained that if he just sat there and waited for him to come up, he'd take too much time and then come up with a great left hook, which is what he did. Therefore, the punches by Froch are fair. I agree with this completely and simply cannot see how anyone could disagree.

    Regarding the point deduction. Dirrell fought scared from the first round. He ran, tried to keep as much distance as possible and only engaged briefly in quick spurts and then retreated. He even missed opportunties to hit Froch when they were close so he could instead disengage and escape. This is not the behavior of a champion! Dirrell's body-language was telling: the man was intimidated by Froch. Froch never showed that fear, he looked assertive and aggressive the whole fight. This is an insight into the psychology of the fighters. A champion should not lose a fight by decision because the challenger ran and clinched the whole ****ing fight! Froch didn't force the rabbit punches, he had no other choice. Dirrell deserved to lose the point for making a stinker of a championship fight. Let me add that I believe Dirrell could have won had he not fought scared, though the chances that he gets KO'd go up as well.

    I thought Dirrell won, but it was an awkward fight and Dirrell did not fight like a champion. My trainer, who trained James Toney at one point along with other former champs, and who will go unnamed, thought Dirrell ran like a coward. To my surprise (my gym is very black), that was the consensus. I didn't hear anyone support Dirrell. Those who gave the fight to Froch seem to support their decision by the idea that to beat the champion, you have to BEAT him. If Dirrell does not run (which is not the behavior of a champ) and does not excessively clinch, Froch makes it a close fight and possible KO's him. This is why some refuse to accept Dirrell as winning the fight. I think he still wins the decision, but he is no champion. I think it is ridiculous that so many were outraged by the decision. I disagree with it, but I see why they gave it to Froch. Round-by-round, it was a competitive fight, if not close.

    It went home with me when I got gun shy in sparring recently and my trainer said I was "running like Dirrell." Haha :( Toopretty better stay the **** out of my thread.
     
  2. Loggo

    Loggo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some people are saying this was a massive robbery win for Froch.Dirrell is a runner but did win it,ok.Yet,a lot of disparaging comments about the British "ko to get a draw"decisions who made a comment about the ludicrous Lucian Bute win over Librado Andrade? Bute seemed to get a lot of hype but that win was a Otkke type win.
     
  3. rickx1

    rickx1 Legend Full Member

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    I had froch 115-112
     
  4. spittle8

    spittle8 Dropping Fisticuffs Full Member

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    Which rounds to who?
     
  5. KingCobra

    KingCobra IBF World Champion Full Member

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    Great post :good Dirrell did NOT fight like a champion and whilst he may have technically won the fight if you stick to the rules by the letter, he didn't deserve to win. I honestly think the judges made the right decision and if Dirrell had won based on that performance it would have sent out the wrong message to other fighters. It would have contrary to the underlying principles and essence of the sport, which to me is two warriors in combat. Dirrell tried to nick the title and came unstuck. I have no sympathy.
     
  6. the-demon

    the-demon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    spot on kingcobra...:good
    if dirrell is destined to be the future of the division he needs to add aggression to his armoury otherwise he becomes a smiddle version of chad dawson....and we know bad chad cant put bums on seats.
     
  7. spittle8

    spittle8 Dropping Fisticuffs Full Member

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    See, that is my primary concern. It was actually a quite close fight if you looked closely. What kills it is that I think the clinching and running by Dirrell was counter-intuitive -- if he had been more aggressive I think he has a decent chance to KO Froch or at least runs away with a proper decision. Froch fought like a champ and kept the title, even if he's an ugly fighter.

    Froch made an excellent point at the end when he said that Dirrell wouldn't stand and fight him like a man, so he took what was there (and threw rabbit punches). Disgraceful fight.
     
  8. David Fanning

    David Fanning Internet Tuff Guy Full Member

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    I gave Froch rounds 1, 6 and 8 I believe, and scored it 116-111 for Dirrell. As far as chances of being KO'd....Froch was hurt more times in that fight than Dirrell was.
     
  9. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    **** fight & neither guy put in a good performance,but i thought dirrell won
     
  10. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  11. cityofgod

    cityofgod Worcester warrior Full Member

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    Good post indeed :good :good
     
  12. cityofgod

    cityofgod Worcester warrior Full Member

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    100% agreed.

    Dirrell used his speed to run, not mount an offensive run at the title.
     
  13. Surgical

    Surgical New Member Full Member

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    My sentiments exactly.
     
  14. Sinew

    Sinew The Assassin Full Member

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    " In the post-fight interview, Froch explained that he had to hit Dirrell with rabbit punches because that was all Dirrell was giving him "



    Sounds like a steaming pile of poo to me. Someones head is clearly not the only target to be hit in boxing. And since the head can be considered small compared to the torso. Where was Froch's body punching then? The head moves but the body is there. IF Froch wants to excuse his head hunter, primitive tactics on Direel then cool:good
     
  15. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    This is pretty much the bottom line. Great fighters adjust to both their opponent and their situation. They fight in the way the way that is most likely to end up with the referee raising their arm. Dirrell failed to do that until it was too late. He was fighting a fight that may have been appropriate for trying to win an olympic boxing medal, not one that was optimum for trying to win a professional boxing match against a champion in the champions backyard.