Another Shogun vs Machida Type of Decision?

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  1. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    randy implemented the "Pin & Win" stategy. Vera will have a sore back today after being pinned for so long against the cage.
     
  2. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rewatched it last night alone and sobered up a bit and wound of giving Randy the 3rd. Vera aside from the takedown which took him straight into mount for a brief period of time id say Randy won about 4:40 of that round he in that round dominated with the clinch, dirty boxing, clinch range elbows and hell in this round he had put together good hand combos and early on appeared to slighty hurt Vera. I of course gave the 2nd to Vera because of the KD but heck if you take that KD out and the brief takedown Randy was in control this entire fight although it wasnt his most impressive bout. Vera and Rogan never spoke after the fight and all Rogan said was something like Randy do you think your clinch control is why you got the decision ?
     
  3. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Another thing if Vera had actually worked in the clinch he may have got the decision but he mostly just stood there while Randy was throwing knees,looking for trips,lifting up a leg for singles etc. I like Vera but he doesnt work hard enough in close fights the same happened with Sylvia and Jardine all 3 of these fights he could have won if he stepped it up.
     
  4. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't remember, but he does that with most close fights. During the fight he was pro Randy if anything, not nearly like he was with Shogun. He did point out, accurately, that Vera was hurting Randy with strikes, but also pointing out that Randy was damaging Vera on the cage; he stressed this a little more, maybe because he was biased for Couture or, what I think, emphasizing the difference between being worked over on the cage on like that by Randy compared to anybody else.

    That's also what makes it hard for me to score; if that's not Randy doing the cage work Vera wins the rounds, but Randy honestly does more damage there than anybody; does that make it enough? Tough to say.
     
  5. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    He definitely won the second round, at one point Couture turned, got in a fetal position and fell down. Even the 1st was close, Couture controlled him but never did any damage or secured a takedown. then the 3rd round he took couture down and MOUNTED HIM.. Vera won. :deal
     
  6. sugarngold

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    I thought Rogan was out of line by stating this fight was a robbery. It was a close fight no doubt. Vera put on a great fight - but Randy dominated the action in round one. Round two saw Vera win the round by damaging Randy to the body and knocking him down. Round three Randy landed the better punches in all of the exchanges. Vera hurt him to the body again with a kick - but Randy came right back with the riposte by scoring with more punches - never letting Vera steal the momentum. Vera finally tripped Randy down and scored the mount - but Randy escaped. They traded to the final bell. Good rough fight. Good showing by both men. Very close. I thought Randy deserved the decision.
     
  7. bored

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    Don't know how to score that last round, watching it live I thought Randy won, now I'm not sure. Vera did well to get to mount and hit Randy with some great kicks but Randy controlled most of the round, I'm not going to criticise judges when I've seen it twice and still can't make my mind up who won.
     
  8. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Where did Rogan say this was a robbery ?
     
  9. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Rogan stated that he thought Vera won while interviewing Vera - then at the end of the show - he basically outright stated as much sighting this fight and the Machida/Shogun fight as examples of judges being unable to judge MMA.
     
  10. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh, I switched over to boxing store that. That is really odd, because he was slightly pro Randy during the fight itself. It was not a robbery, but I certainly see the argument for Vera.
     
  11. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Glad someone else caught that. I was adding up points in the prediction thread while this was going on, but I was sure I heard what I heard. I watched the fight live online, and didn't see the tv broadcast. I was afraid it got edited out.
     
  12. Monoxide

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    Yeah they didn't show it on the SpikeTV broadcast. It was only on the live version. Rogan seemed pretty convinced that Vera won the decision and Vera said something like "Yea...Thanks Judges." lol
     
  13. rekcutnevets

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  14. G.A.V.

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    It was a crap fight and I wouldn't take time out of my day to try and fathom who did better, not enough time to sit around and read these forums, see.
     
  15. tri-pod

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    At the break between rounds 2 and 3 I think it was, you can hear Couture's corner telling him to keep making Vera think your going for the take down, so it was never Randy's plan to get the take down I don't think.

    And what happened when Vera had the mount? Nothing at all! Couture was even controlling him in his own mount. Vera played right in to Randy's game the whole fight, except round two when he had that explosive moment and got the KD on Randy.

    The judges scored it right with 29-28 across the board. I gave 1st round Randy, 2nd round Vera, and 3rd Round Randy.