Another way to look at the "B-Hop only fought smaller men" theory...

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I've not been a fan of a boxer since naz.

    Ok you say hopkins is overrated, how do you rate him? Can I see your list of middleweights who are greater? Can I also see your list of p4p greats who are greater?

    As for going by cards, why would i? I think martinez beat williams and cintron, why would I hold them performances against him? Even in bygone years it's better to go off fight reports than recorded results.

    If I watch the mitchel, taylor and joe fights concluding he didn't lose why the hell would I hold it against him? I hope you realise how ridiculously stupid this notion is.

    I think reid beat both ottke and joe should I hold them losses against him?
     
    lufcrazy, Jul 16, 2011
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  2. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    of course he ducked joe in 2002. hopkins got offered a career high pay day to fight calzaghe in america. whats hopkins got against them career high pay days? its not like it was high risk / low reward, it was high risk / high reward and hopkins didn't want that fight did he? he prefered them $750k paydays against hakar.
     
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  3. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bang on! Joe had to come and visit him to USA to dispatch that saber tooth. Only for bhop "executioner" to box like a *** for 11rds.:patsch
     
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  4. lufcrazy

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    So he ducked him in 02 when joe wasn't established but didn't duck him once he'd cleaned out the smw division and entered the p4p top ten?

    Great logic there mate.
     
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  5. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Duck is a duck no matter when it quack's luf
     
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  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Now lets look at this post without the rose tinted glasses on
     
    bailey, Jul 17, 2011
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  7. horst

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    Very first sentence doesn't make sense. :lol: Thus, no need to read the rest of this biased snoozefest.
     
    horst, Jul 17, 2011
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  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes it does, read on. But this is just another duck of yours. You fail to note how Hopkins had been a pro for 4 years before boiling down to MW :patsch
     
    bailey, Jul 17, 2011
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  9. horst

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    "Another duck" - Yawn. :dead You need to freshen up your act man, it's mustier than your grandma's undercarriage. Just because I don't have the time to type out sprawling, biased, rubbish essays about insignificant petty topics like you doesn't mean every riposte is a "duck". You think you're being funny, but you're just underlining your image as a boring troll.

    Anyway, Bernard Hopkins was not the professional athlete when he started out that he later became. Hopkins did not start out as a well-funded, well-trained, well-conditioned starlet like Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather. When his career began, he was an overweight journeyman who learned as he went on, and rose to prominence through determination and dedication to his craft.

    The guy spent THIRTEEN YEARS as a champion in the middleweight division, USABA champ from 92-94, world champion 95-05.

    He regularly weighed in UNDER the 160lbs limit, and on my dvd of the first Jermain Taylor fight, the co-commentator says that Hopkins's fightnight rehydration weight of 167lbs is unusually HIGH for him.


    The guy was a natural middleweight, obviously. You can twist facts and so on for another 3000 words, but you can't change that the VAST majority of his world title career was spent at middleweight. :good
     
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  10. lufcrazy

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    Bailey if what you say is true then hopkins rises in my estimations.

    I mean I thought it was good enough for a natural middleweight to dominate the middleweight division, but for a man to boil down over a stone every fight and dominate the middleweight scene is even more impressive!

    I think you're actually secretly a hopkins fan to suggest he is at this level of greatness.
     
    lufcrazy, Jul 17, 2011
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  11. lufcrazy

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    Well it sounds like he fought the better version of joe so imo that improves his legend further.
     
    lufcrazy, Jul 17, 2011
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  12. horst

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    Hopkins is also a peerless physical phenomenon as well. We have saw how badly excessive weight-drainage affects guys, we've all saw the ghostly versions of De La Hoya, Toney, Corrales etc lose and lose badly when they've been trying to make a low weight class. If Hopkins was doing this for over 13 years, he truly is the most sensational physical phenomenon in boxing history!

    :happy
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    Yeah the way team elite describe him i'd have thought surely they'd have him as the goat?
     
    lufcrazy, Jul 17, 2011
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  14. JoeAverage

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  15. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    its a fact that hopkins ducked calzaghe in 2002 when both fighters were arguably at they're physical peak, get over it for ****s sake.

    when did hopkins come back for calzaghe? in 2008, when hopkins had the fight at the weight that hopkins wanted unlike 2002. he wanted the fight when he thought that calzaghe had nothing to gain and everything to lose, he wanted the fight when hopkins had everything to gain and nothing to lose.

    he also knew that he was now in his 40s and had nothing to lose because everyone would say that hopkins was over the hill if he lost. he knew that once he was in his 40s that fanboys like you would judge him on a completely different criteria - hence you, placing hopkins as number 5 in your p4p list for a win over carl froch victim pascal.
     
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