Anthony Joshua - A disgrace to the superior physique?

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  1. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Interesting thread.
     
  2. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What the ****.
    Why did I write that AJ beat Pulev on the 2nd of June 2019. They call me Mystic Mac
     
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  3. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ask Andy Ruiz...lol
     
  4. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Rinsing weights can only get you so far in boxing,
     
  5. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah any bodybuilder can beat Ruiz, Whyte, Klitschko and Parker. Just load up on the weights, no boxing skill needed.
     
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  6. Stuart_boxer

    Stuart_boxer Member Full Member

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    Go to an amateur or low level boxing or MMA show.

    There is a very good chance you will find a guy with an A level physique getting tooled by a guy much lower level than Ruiz or Usyk.

    Not necessarily as big as Joshua.

    This guy for instance was a fitness model;

    https://m.sherdog.com/fighter/record/Vitor-Silva-113033
     
  7. West of Hollywood

    West of Hollywood Active Member Full Member

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    I was never a fan of Joshua but he is an elite heavyweight and has only lost two fights....and has "an A level physique."
    Obviously musculature has some relevance in boxing, but prime Jimmy Young could play with Jumbo Cummings.
     
  8. StiffJeb

    StiffJeb Member Full Member

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    I agree that he is to an extent the result of the biggest money and the top trainers doing the best they can with a decent physical template. Not unlike how Drago was portrayed in Rocky IV. On paper and photograph he seems like the result of a lab experiment to produce the ideal boxer - this is something people joked about when Josh was first brought into the ring.

    Given that, he obviously has had a successful career, but given the flaws that have shown up recently: the chin, the lack of ring IQ, the inability to adapt, the relative lack of stamina - you might call it a failed experiment. Just from the disproportionate amount of money thrown at him, training, marketing, and the base physical form. Not an immense failure of course, he was an 'elite' champion for a while, but it's a failure to the extent that it underestimates the other factors that are needed for a great champion that can't be 'grown in a lab'. This is mostly on the mental side, but even his training doesn't seem to have been very functional.
     
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  9. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joshua would undoubtedly win the Mr Olympia in the boxers only class every year but skills and techniques is still the best gauge for success in boxing. Not that Joshua is devoid of skill and good technique, it’s just that some like Usyk are better in those department despite not having as impressive a physique as Joshua.
     
  10. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Every single boxing champion is made. They are not born. AJ for someone who first entered a boxing gym at age 18 and everything he has achieved is an absolute stud!
     
  11. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Usyk entered a boxing gym at 15.

    Vladdo entered a boxing gym at 14.

    Sergio entered a boxing gym at 21.

    The idea that everyone besides AJ and Wilder were born with gloves on and that's why they're better is tiring.
     
  12. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    It's funny and sad that AJ has spent the last couple of years talking about how he has had a "harder road" and "on the job" learning...and is "behind" Fury in terms of expierance

    But it's total nonsense, he has about as much ring time if not more than Fury at this stage in his career

    Even if he can learn more he can't physically act on it.

    He is starting to accept his flaws now...he can't fix his traits, iffy chin, poor stamina, slow footspeed and basic footwork. Hard pill to swallow.
     
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  13. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    The idea that a 32 year old former "star amateur", "two time world champion", 14 years into boxing and 8 years into the pro game is some kind of novice is nothing more than damage control for a career that hasn't panned out the way it was intended to.
     
  14. RoughD

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    Thats exactly how i saw it from day 1