Anthony Joshua a top 10 puncher

Based on what exactly is Wilder harder puncher than AJ? Knocking 30+ complete glass jaw bums ?
When did Wilder KO a legitimacy iron chinned fighter?
Hell Wilder couldn't even drop f**** Johann Duhaupas even once. I'm yet to hear a guy Wilder manage to KO and has a solid solid chin.

Also there is different kind of powers and how what they did to you when you get hit.

 

Internet is such a weird place where everyone suddenly decides to talk about anything, without even have a clue what the heck he is talking.

Buddy AJ is probably the fastest HW currently. Maybe Usyk is faster, but Usyk is pushing 37, so maybe it's not anymore. Ruiz is essentially retired and i doubt that his speed is what it is.
Saying AJ lacks speed is like saying Mike Tyson was lacking KO Power or speed. Also AJ is all about fast twitch muscle. You have no f**** clue what you are talking. AJ is probably the most explosive fighter since Tyson as well.
Also AJ stamina is great. He outthrow Usyk by 112 punches in their first bout, and Usyk has the best cardio in the HW division by far.
Also people have no idea what stamina is, and how it's even work. It's one thing throwing arm punches, and what it's drain from your gas tank, and completely different throwing hard full force punches, that firstly drains a lot more stamina, and you drain your overall gas tank a lot faster like that, as your recovery is different throwing full force punches.

Go on to the bag and throw 10 regular solid punches, and then do the same with full force everything behind the punches, which is what AJ mostly do, and see the difference.

AJ had improve his stamina tremendously since he comes out as a pro, and he now knows how to pace himself a lot better.

 

I'm not reading all of that, but just the beginning.

Firstly Wilder hasn't beating a single good name. Secondly Ortiz chin is close to pure china. He was floored multiple time by not so solid shots. His chin is anything but good.

Secondly, if we going by your logic:
AJ KO Molina in 3, and Wilder went life and death with him and needed 9 rounds.
Helenius KO may have something to do with that he was WIlder sparring partner, and that he was id**** open and on the front foot against Wilder, compare to running scared on the back foot against AJ, and all defensive.
Still Helenius was out COLD both times.

But going your logic:
Wilder never managed to hurt ot drop the only real good chin he has ever faced - Johann Duhaupas.
Povetkin brutally KO him in 6.
Wilder needed 9 round to KO a glass jaw bum in Szpilka, which Chisora KO in 2. And Kownacki KO him in 4.

Does that mean Chisora and Kownacki > Wilder in terms of power?

Wilder never KOed Arreola it was corner stoppage.
Stiverne KO Arreola in 6.

And the rest of Wilder opponents are complete glass jawed bums, that don't even have wikis ....

Things don't work like that in Boxing.
Ah and what happen when Wilder face someone with a good chin again ? Aha Parker, and he couldn't do a s**** on him.

 

no

 

I think his powers definitely top ten in the division today.

There's only really Wilder, Zhang and Joyce I think who have an argument for being considered on his level.

So for me he's top 5, not just top ten.

 

I make the case that he is clearly better than Wilder.

1) Wilder's power is mostly against bums and medically unfit fighters. He put down Fury a few times, but Fury has been put down by a cruiser, a novice, and a featherfist that no one remembers, so it's not all that great an accomplishment.

2) Wilder's power is only from a highly telegraphed straight right hand. Joshua's is more two-fisted and at different depths.

 

The top 4 are Wilder, Zhang, Joyce, AJ. Unsure on order. After that I reckon Hrgovic but his power isn't proven at the top level like the others.

But that's my top 5.

 

Good list. I personally would swap out Lyle for The Duke as far as raw power.

 

Very fair, Morrison deserves to have his name on any top heavyweight punchers list.

 

AJ obviously ain't as fastest HW in terms of all time, but for today era, he is one of the fastest one for sure.
It's his main asset, as well as power, explosiveness, etc.

Wilder ain't as fast and that is for sure. Wilder couldn't lay a glove on a version on Parker that to me is inferior to the one AJ fought. Parker that fought AJ was insanely fast, and even he admitted that he lost some of that speed, due to bulking like a *****.
Ruiz for sure was faster than AJ. We don't know is he faster now with his inactivity and his lifestyle.

Usyk has always been faster, but we don't know for sure if it's now, as he is 37 years old.

As far as the explosiveness goes, AJ is more explosive than Wilder, and it's not even close.
You can prove me wrong with a single clip like this one:

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The only one in the close past i'm thinking which is more explosive is prolly Mike Tyson. Same for putting string/combos together.

As far as stamina goes, Vitali, Usyk, etc have not great, but literally ATG cardio. AJ is not there, never was, never will be, mainly because of his build, and that he is so explosive. That and the muscle he have require a lot of stamina out of him. He may have great gas tank, but it depletes quicker because of his build.

He is like a sprinter. 0-100 in record time, but can't keep it for long, simply because he is so explosive and so muscular.

Vitali Klitschko for example, has a lot better build for boxing in my book, literally perfect body, and it's essentially naturally for him.
AJ is a trained machine, and train very hard to keep it. But Vitali also ain't hit as hard as AJ in terms of one punch power. He is an accumulation puncher.

My example with the try it on the heavybag is for anyone literally. Hell even as shadow boxing. Because there is a huge difference to your system if you put everything into your punches even for short period of time, and just throw regular punches, but not put everything on them.
I can throw literally around 100 regular punches, and not get tired, but the moment i start putting everything and i mean everything into my punch, firstly i get tired very quickly, which is obviously normal, and then don't have the same energy after it. I mean it's take a lot more out of your body. Your recovery is completely different.