Anthony Joshua Felt Wilder Lacked a Proper Game Plan in Tyson Fury Trilogy

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  1. douglas1

    douglas1 New Member banned Full Member

    Nov 11, 2021
    Former two-time heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua believes division rival Deontay Wilder lacked a proper game plan for last month's trilogy fight with WBC world champion Tyson Fury.

    In one of the best heavyweight fights in recent years, Wilder was dropped hard in the third - but then scored two knockdowns on his own in the following round. Fury would rally back and drop Wilder two more times for a knockout in the eleventh.

    Joshua gives Wilder some credit for giving it a go, but felt the wrong tactics were used.

    "He tried, but to get that power and that ferociousness, you have to have it up here [points to his head]," Joshua told a JD Sports roundtable.

    "Before you have it just here [clenches fists] at that level, you have to have it here [points to his head] as well."

    Wilder was doing a lot more jabbing than previously seen in the second encounter.

    Joshua explains why an effective jab, in the modern era, is not enough to be a dominant force in the heavyweight division.

    "Not in this day and age [can a heavyweight just jab his way to win] because heavyweights are different. I met the guy who makes gloves the other day, and he said that they never used to have to make special gloves. But now heavyweights are 17 to 19 stone and six-foot ten. The whole division is changed in the last, like, five years," Joshua said.

    "And before, fighters could jab like that for twelve rounds and get away with it. They'd get a bit tired, but they were conditioned because they were lighter. But now, when you've got big guys [who are] six-foot-seven, they get tired."
  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jul 4, 2014
    The man is talking gibberish, and, I think there is some projection going on. When he is talking about "power" and "ferociousness," he is talking about himself.

    Sad part is, he is giving himself the wrong advice. If he wants a (slim) chance again Usyk , he has got to figure out how to fight a southpaw. Never mind power and ferociousness.

    I like AJ. I support AJ fighting on, even when he loses to Usyk again. But he ought to worry about himself.

    And what is talking about fighters being 6'7" and not being able to jab, for? He just got rolled by a guy who is 6'3" in lifts and can throw 1000 punches in a fight when he chooses.

    Add denial to projection. See a shrink, AJ. Don't go down the Wilder looney-toons route.
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Mar 21, 2007
  4. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Active Member Full Member

    Sep 30, 2019
    You can when your opponent comes in weighing 300 lbs.
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  5. miniq

    miniq Big Stiff Idiot Full Member

    Oct 23, 2011
    Wilder has a dark art to his boxing. He's as dangerous as they come. One major weapon but it's so fast and rangy you can't do ANYTHING to avoid it when he times it right.

    AJ on the other hand is pretty easy to predict
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  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jan 13, 2021
    Wilder has the devil inside of him. He channels the dark energy of satan into his right hand just before fight night against his next victim (journeyman taxi driver). Pure hatred and agression, and by far the most powerful heavyweight in history. any mortal would be right to fear him.

    Good thing Tyson Fury isn't mortal
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  7. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Bah humbug Full Member

    Mar 17, 2017
    Wilder actually did have a clear plan in the 3rd fight. And it worked well in the first round. Jab to the body then try to land the right hand. Fury was uncomfortable in the first round but then adjusted as he does so well in 2nd round.

    Joshua had no plan whatsoever against Usyk.
  8. miniq

    miniq Big Stiff Idiot Full Member

    Oct 23, 2011
    Fury Wilder 3 was a bar fight

    AJ normally wins bar fights because he is a big bully but when he faces someone who is cut from the right cloth like Ruiz he gets splattered.
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  9. miniq

    miniq Big Stiff Idiot Full Member

    Oct 23, 2011
    Fury wasn't uncomfortable, He was happy to let a 240lb Wilder set a decent pace and he was happy to incite Wilder to maintain it...Fury wasn't looking to box and didn't want to use his jab to get near Wilder due to injury so he was relying on Wilder to slow down then he could meet him head on which is what happened. If Wilder boxed like the first fight and came in lighter Fury would have had an even harder night because he would have needed to get physical with a Wilder with a bigger gas tank.

    Fury's calmness with ability to see the bigger picture paired with his natural size & stamina makes him a formidable force no matter what condition he is in. Only a fully juiced up Usyk on his A-game pure boxing could maybe edge him over 12 rounds. Usyk is going to get older if AJ can drag him 12 rounds again.
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  10. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 31, 2018
    If you can't box to save your life it's hard to establish a game plan.

    Wilder was always about the power and not about game plans and skills.

    Joshua btw had a great game plan against Usyk. A 12 round staring contest to lose a decision. I'm happy to see Usyk beating the crap out of him again in the rematch.
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  11. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Member Full Member

    Jun 7, 2015
    Wilder can't really box so the only game plan he should have is to show up in top shape which he got away from a bit.
  12. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Nov 24, 2005
    Some are under 16 stone, and six-foot three, Anthony.
  13. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

    May 3, 2016
    Joshua had no plan whatsoever against Usyk
    First round bemused thinking Ok, I'll get to him...
    Middle rounds bemusement turning into Confuseion...
    Championship rounds Totally ran out of ideas, corner farting out the same ineffectual
    stop the fight early I'm gonna get sparked, outclassed & look stupid for a 2nd time...
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  14. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Active Member Full Member

    Nov 24, 2019
    Joshua is not in a position to criticize someone because Joshua was the one who never managed to knock down Usyk, Wilder at least showed courage against Fury...
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  15. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jun 24, 2007
    AJ is right about having smarts, but the jab is and always will be the key weapon. It is the set up for so many things to follow up behind it. AJ is not the brightest bulb on the tree either.