Anthony joshua is one of the biggest frauds in boxing

Wallin cut Fury badly and gave him hell and some felt Fury was lucky that fight wasn't stopped due to how badly the cut was i would say that is pretty significant. Especially since Wallin was considered a banana skin fight for Joshua in which alot of people were expecting a tough fight it's a solid win.

But again what you deem as 4 soft touches isn't Joshua's fault, Joshua was scheduled to fight Whyte who is a solid opponent and the fight was cancelled due to Whyte failing a test so Joshua had to fight a late replacement in Helenius.

Joshua was also lined up to fight Wilder but as i keep saying Wilder failed against Parker hence the fight was a no go after that.

Joshua is a big name and the fight vs Dubois is a massive fight in UK at Wembley, the fight is expected to have over 80000 fans no pun intended. So of course they will have this fight because it makes the most money and is a sell out in the UK.

Does Parker deserve a shot a title and is his recent list of opponents better than Joshua ? yes. But again Parker also has losses to Joshua, Whyte, and isn't anywhere near as big of a name as Joshua is.

In a perfect scenario Parker should get the winner of Joshua/Dubois or the winner of Usyk/Fury.

It probably would've been fun for a few rounds but i don't see it being that competitive no. I'm not saying Whyte is some amazing opponent for Joshua. My argument is Joshua was willing to fight better opponents but circumstances were out of his hands.

Whyte failed a test.

Wilder got embarrassed vs Parker so the fight lost all the hype.

Dubois is a solid opponent for Joshua but if Joshua wins and he doesn't fight any of the other notable top 10 Heavyweights like Parker, Kabayel, Zhang, Bakole, etc. Then i will be in full agreement with you that Joshua should be discredited as he is now a belt holder and needs to step up his opposition.

There is a difference though.

Fury was the Lineal Heavyweight champion and was fighting an MMA fighter.

Joshua fought Ngannou after he was coming off a very competitive fight vs Fury.

As i keep saying to you and you somehow keep missing the point. If Fury had done a proper job on Ngannou then Joshua would've never of fought him. It's because of Fury who gave Ngannou the hype and clout and the impression that he was a top 10 Heavyweight by having a competitive fight vs Fury. Gave Joshua the opportunity to earn a big pay day against someone who had alot of clout after Fury fight.

Hence the whole issue started with Fury because he chose to fight an MMA fighter in the first place then made it worse by making boxing look like a joke by struggling against Ngannou.

As for Joshua saving boxing yeah i think he did save boxing's reputation, you should've seen social media after Fury/Ngannou. MMA fans were laughing and saying boxing was a joke and saying Ngannou was the uncrowned Heavyweight champion.

Who hypes up Joshua that he's the next Ali ? i don't think i've seen anyone rate Joshua that highly in all honesty. I'd rather Joshua win because i think he's a better fighter than Dubois and can be in better fights against the lieks of Zhang, Fury, etc.

We still need to see Fury vs Joshua in a big UK showdown.

 

100 agree

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree mate.

Hopefully Dubios sparks AJ. Sick of divas in boxing taking rubbish fights in exchange for priority title shots.

 

The thread is harsh but I do agree that ranking AJ that high seems pre-mature at this stage. Ranking seems to be based off what he showed prior so legacy boost is added. I think hes still top 5 solidly.

The Dubois fight should give a clear understanding on where within the high range he ranks.

 

I just want to see the best fighting eachother mate.

Parker should definitely get a shot though at either Usyk vs Fury winner or Joshua vs Dubois winner.

Then the winner of those fights should fight eachother for all the marbles.

 

It wasn't borderline.
He was in the top 10. It was published
Nothing borderline about that.

Interesting what you wrote though as you wrote famous for losing to Fury and that is correct as Wallin fought Fury and was considered a contender who gave Fury a tough fight and finished the fight with Fury looking troubled imo in the final round
Yet after his fight against Joshua is not thought of the same way

That's fair enough though can't see why he would have been considered soft as he looked better against Fury than many others
I would disagree about Chisora being rated above at that time, based on the respective performances of Chisora in his last 2 fights with Fury compared to how Wallin performed, though agree styles make fights

Fact is that after losing to Usyk, Joshua fought a top 10 opponent within 3 fights after losing to Usyk
You also have to look at timescales
Since August 2022, Joshua has fought Usyk, Franklin, Helenius, Wallin, Ngannou
Joshua is not holding or defending a title

Since August 2022, Fury has fought Chisora, Ngannou and Usyk and he was a defending champion

I don't think Joshua has fought worse competition than Fury in that time

I think when Parker lost to Whyte it was around 4 years before he fought another top 10 opponent though do admit that I expect COVID was a factor to some things
It can happen that way sometimes

 

Who honestly has AJ on par with the fighters you mention?!

I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim AJ to equal or better than Lewis/ali

 

Kabayel, Parker, Wilder, Bakole, etc. Not hard to find someone more capable than Helenius

 

Joshua had no need whatsoever to face Ngannou, plenty of other guys for Ngannou to fight

 

That one was all on the Saudi´s, and Wilder.
His Excellency was setting up a Joshua vs Wilder blockbuster and Wilder shat the bed. So Saudi´s went with Ngannou because they still wanted a big fight and they like Ngannou.

Plus it was interesting to see how Joshua would handle someone who gave Fury so much trouble. Joshua was supposed to fight Whyte and Wilder, but unfortunately both fights fell through. So now he is fighting Dubois, who himself is on a roll.
It´s bad circumstance that led Joshua to take "meh" fights, but at least he stayed active. And the Wallin W was a good one.

 

Wilder is finished and Bakole wasn`t on the map yet. AJ had already beaten Parker in a tepid fight and Parker had lost to Joyce his stock grew after he beat Wilder. Plus Wilder also chose Helenius as an opponent.

 

Fury is incredibly inconsistent, it's silly to think Joshua is obligated to fight all the guys Fury failed to impress against let alone one who has never won a pro fight. Does he need to fight Derek Chisora because Fury couldn't drop him?

 

Joshua was the biggest name Ngannou could fight outside of a Fury rematch it generated the most money so it made sense.

 

Yes I’m sure Parker and wilder would have been more than happy to step in as late replacements. Especially wilder who at that point had fought once since October 2021 surely he would have jumped at the chance to fight abroad at a weeks notice.

Great idea brainiac

 

There's no way of knowing because they didn't try.