Anthony joshua is one of the biggest frauds in boxing

Oh wow. Definitely better than Klitscho. Big Zhang was battered by AJ when he was younger, tell me why the result will be different.

Once AJ stream rolls him, that's when he becomes you know his real level. We're talking about the same Zhang that couldn't survive with Parker and Hergovic.

 

He didn't save anything. Whyte was unranked when he faced Joshua and Ruiz wasn't regarded as anything special prior to beating AJ. Three solid wins over Parker, Klitschko, and a badly faded but still capable Povetkin does not a great career make or even close.

Bakole has been more important than the likes of Helenius, Ngannou, Franklin, etc for a while all of whom Joshua fought. Kabayel beat a prime Chisora back in 2017 which should have made him a respectable opponent. How are Joyce and Ortiz more fringe players than Helenius or Franklin?

 

Bakole only became important a few weeks ago. Until then his best wins were against guys like Kuzman and Yoka. Yo just went full ******.

Kabeyel similar. He beat Chisora when it was a decent win. Nothing more.

Joyce and Ortiz are indeed comparable to Helenius and Franklin, THAT IS THE POINT. You are citing guys of no importance, completely interchangeable, when Joshua beat every good fighter he could get his hands on. Parker, Klitschko, Povektin and Ruiz is indeed a hell of a top four, especially now that Wilder has been exposed that he was never in any of their leagues.

 

AJ fought off the backfoot and had a ref who kept breaking them up anytime they were close enough to exchange. Takes two to tango.

Besides a lot has changed since their first fight, or is AJ the only one allowed rematches?

 

That's not what everyone was saying pre-Parker.

 

I don't really rate Ortiz much, but I'd say he's a better boxer than Helenius and Franklin and would comfortably beat both, he's just old. Joyce also has wins over Parker and Dubios which is aging very well, and at one stage was considered to be in the top 5.

 

Ortiz's best win is Jennings. After that, a tainted win against Thompson in which he was subsequently popped for PEDs. Complete non-factor. If you feel he was marginally better than Helenius, sure. Does not make Ortiz someone that Joshua should have fought by a country mile.

Joyce beat Dubois when Dubois was a total and complete hypejob. I give credit to Dubois for improving, but Joyce has flamed out hard, and again, no one is going to look back on Joshua's era and say, "but he failed to fight Joe Joyce." Literally no one is going to say that.

What this Cojimar guy is selling is pure dishonesty.

 

I never claimed AJ should have fought Ortiz, just pointing out that opponents you think are nonfactors are still better than those AJ actually fought.

What about when Joyce beat Parker? He was totally a viable opponent for AJ, a huge domestic match up and considered by many to be top 5. Even in his recent, faded form he'd be a better opponent than AJs last 4.

 

But you are responding to something that I said in the context of someone who said just that.

As for Joyce beating Parker, it was a great win before his career collapsed, but again, the context we are talking about is is Joshua should have fought him. Joshua had lost his second fight to Usyk 1 month before, and in Joyce's next fight he would lose to Zhang. There are no point in which Joyce would have been feasible.

Again, not that what you are sying is wrong, but the conversation I was having has the context of Cojimar's dishonesty.

 

Joshua fought Usyk in 2021.
Joshua fought Usyk again in 2022.
Joyce beat Parker in 2022.

They could have fought in April of 2023 but here are a few factors:
AJ wanted to rebuild himself.
Matchroom and Queensberry were not best friends yet, thus it would never have happened even if one side tried.

Debatable. Plus Joshua had two notable names fall through. He was supposed to rematch Whyte and also fight Wilder.

 

Joyce has wins over Jennings, Dubois, and Parker. He was clearly better than Franklin and Helenius. AJ fans are trying to hype up Dubois as a capable opponent and Joyce beat him. If Joyce is no good than how on earth is AJ beating a guy who lost to him anything to brag about?

Bakole pre-Anderson was still regarded as far more dangerous than Ngannou, Helenius, and Franklin. He would have been a better opponent than any of these guys.

 

And three losses to 40 year old fighters...Jennings is nothing and Dubois was absolutely a skilless hypejob at the time. Literally no one is going to remember Joyce for a good win that he got when Joshua was in a series with Usyk, one of the best to ever do it.

It is simply dishonest. You named two guys that Joshua tried to get in the ring, three that became important only very recently, and a number that will not matter to history in any way. Grow up.

 

Joshua in his prime fought plenty of guys who were never important and add nothing to his legacy. Like Breazeale, Ngannou, Helenius, Franklin, etc. Nobody in the public wanted many of these fights. There were plenty better fights to be made.

Kabayel and Bakole don't have to be important to be better options than Franklin and Ngannou. If Dubois was a skilless hypejob when he fought Joyce whose to say he isn't still now? Does AJ get no credit if he wins?

Also were Joshua to somehow lose to Dubois he likely will be forgotten or dismissed as a complete hypejob

 

What Joshua has done in his era would be the rough equivalent of Lewis beating Bruno, Ruddock, Tucker and McCall while losing to Holyfield twice and failing to fight Mercer, Golota, Tua, Rahman, Akinwande, Tyson, Vitali, etc.