Anthony joshua is one of the biggest frauds in boxing

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  1. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who is “someone”? I’ve never heard of him.

    is he any good?
     
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  2. BlackDog

    BlackDog Active Member Full Member

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    Is Anthony Joshua fraud? No.
    Can Joshua after his loss to Usyk take better fight? Probably yes.

    End of the day Joshua face dude who almost beat Dillian Whyte- (give him close fight in many opinions)
    Later he want winner of this fight Dillian Whyte- pretty solid fight. Whyte probably still was in top 10 back then. But we know what happend.
    Helenius was late replacemant. Not soo solid fight but end of the day it was accident. We got same opponent as Wilder choose. Good for their eventually future fight what was planned.
    Later he fight top 10 (place 10 if I good remeber on the ring magazine) Otto Wallin. Fight that many here too see as hard fight and prognose many Joshua problems.

    When Wilder lost they lose oppurnity and decide take other name Ngannou- again fight with dude who almost beat number 1 of the division. Off course this was not best sport fight ever but again its Fury the one who open this "door" and make this fight soo big. Again many here choose Joshua to loss that fight and prognose big problems from Anthony.

    Soo end of the day that's not coward resume.
    And now we got Dubois fight. Fight for the bell with dangerous dude who got specktacular change in last year from "quiter" to dude who win before last rounds with 2 pretty dangerous guys.

    Soo calling Joshua "fraud" is just hate.
     
  3. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    A fraud doesn't take two fights with Usyk and compete the way he did.
     
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  4. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As I keep telling you Wallin was a solid opponent he was known as the guy that gave Fury hell and came close to beating him. It was considered a banana skin fight for Joshua and if he won and it was supposed to lead to a fight with Wilder.

    No one expected Wilder to look so poor vs Parker and lose 12-0 hence the hype for a possible fight for Joshua pretty much ended as Wilder was no longer seen as a viable opponent.

    Joshua fought Helenius because he was a late replacement for Whyte that isn't Joshua's fault.

    The original timeline for Joshua's opponents was going to be Whyte, Wallin, then Wilder, which would've been a solid list. But Whyte failed a test or whatever and Wilder looked unexpectedly terrible against Parker again not Joshua's fault.

    The Ngannou fight as I said was Fury's fault because he started that whole circus act and gave Ngannou the clout and the impression he was a top 10 Heavyweight. Even the WBC ranked Ngannou in their top 10 after the Fury fight. I'm not going to pretend Joshua beating Ngannou is some amazing feat, but you can blame Fury for struggling and embarrassing the sport vs an MMA fighter. Joshua had to bring some respect back to boxing by making an example of Ngannou after Fury almost single handily made boxing look like a farce.
     
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  5. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Well said.
     
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  6. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Joshua is what he is - a mentally fragile Glass Jawed Fighter who can look very good against flat footed stationary targets and very average against fighters who can move a bit. He has a very low Ring IQ which hurts him greatly.
     
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  7. Philosopher

    Philosopher Active Member Full Member

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    Mentally fragile? Perhaps. Glass jawed? He'd still be on the floor from Wlad and Ruiz Jr if he had a crystal chin.
     
  8. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    AJ is a Glass Jawed Fighter. That’s not even his biggest liability. It’s his Ring IQ.
     
  9. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The first Usyk fight couldn't be avoided - it was either throw the belt in the trash or face Usyk. Credit for not throwing the belt in the trash against a cruiserweight, I guess?

    The second fight was the exercising of a rematch clause knowing that the deck is HEAVILY stacked for him against a much smaller man. All he had to do was win about 3 rounds and have a few close rounds and he gets the win. Couldn't do it.

    He won about 3 rounds out of 24 and nearly got stopped in the first fight. Never came close. Chisora did far better.
     
  10. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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    AJ was not competitive in 1 st bout v Usyk and was clearly beaten in their rematch, Usyk looked a full notch above AJ in both fights.
     
  11. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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    He showed enough ring IQ to protect his glass jaw in his rematch v Ruiz.
     
  12. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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    Ruiz hit him solidly but many heavies could have taken those shots, it`s not that AJ got up v Wlad it`s the effect punch had on him, Whyte hurt him too, any good heavyweight punch will hurt him or make him very tentative.
     
  13. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Point is, if he was a fraud, he wouldn't have been qualified to even go 24 rounds with Usyk.
    Don't forget that Tyson Fury was supposed to be stopped if it wasn't for the referee's help.
     
  14. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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    Oleksandr Usyk says that Tyson Fury was his toughest fight, tougher than Anthony Joshua, but said Fury isn't the hardest puncher he has faced, that was Derek Chisora. Usyk told The 3KR Podcast: “Toughest fight, yes. Biggest punch.. no.5 Jun 2024
     
  15. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A borderline top 10 who was most famous for losing to Fury and hasn't achieved much else. It was literally the softest top ten he could have gone for at the time. Hell I'd rate Chisora over Wallin.

    So AJ has had 4 soft touches before getting a title shot. Seems legit.

    The original timeline means diddly squat. He fought rubbish opposition barring maybe Wallin who actually hasn't achieved much outside of beating up an old cruiserweight and Breazeal. AJ had two consecutive main events where the co-main was both the better fights and more challenging.

    Even if you want to defend Helenius as a late replacement, it was for Whyte who got chinned by a lazy Fury in 6. Are you going to pretend that would have been remotely competitive?

    Franklin was an acceptable tune up. He should have hit the gas from there and taken on better fights.

    There was no excuse for a Ngannou fight, and it's sad seeing people apply a double standard for golden boy AJ. It didn't "save boxing" it was a shameless gimmick fight AJ had criticized Fury for taking.

    Unlike as it is, I really hope Dubios chins AJ so we can stop seeing him cut the line with mediocre opponents and seeing his fans lap it up like he's the next Ali.