Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury under danger Usyk plans to enforce mandatorty

Agree completely.

AJ Is In It for the money. He knows he will never beat Fury and Usyk and those 2 will rule the Div. He wants his 70 mil and whatever happens after doesnt matter to him.

I hope Usyk gets his chance and smashes AJ to bits.

 

I did. I just disagree with “these belts don’t matter at all”.

 

You only reaffirmed what I said regarding belts holding weight insofar as the commercial aspect.

A belt is nothing but a marketing tool, bestowed upon both the competitor and consumer.

As it is, the most legitimate title carried by any boxer is the lineal. It is not based on marketing, but based on fact. It's the man who beat the man. I laugh when "fans" of the sport belittle the lineal, and praise the governing bodies like a bunch of sheeple.

You soon find out who is indoctrinated as the end-goal consumer and who is not.

 

Should be a cracking fight in all fairness

 

Yep - I back Parker.

 

You're persistent DC, I'll give you that. Wilder has two world class attributes, a right hand and one of the most well honed exercises in cherry picking that the boxing world has ever seen. Aided and abetted by the WBC.

Wilder's illustrious record after the Stiverne win, which you're conveniently forgetting with your 'last three years' revisionism:

34th Eric Molina, ranked 37th in the World
35th Johann Duhaupas, ranked 34th in the World
36th Artur Szpilka, ranked 24th in the World
37th Chris Arreola, ranked 43rd in the World
38th Gerald Washington ranked 41st in the World
39th Bermane Stiverne “inactive for two years and UNRANKED at time of fight"
(THIS IS WHERE DUBBLECHIN'S MEMORY EXTENDS BACK TO)
40th Luis Ortiz - ranked 6th (39 years old may not have been medically fit to fight)
41st Tyson Fury - artificially thrown back into rankings after 3 years single handedly supporting the Colombian economy.
42nd - Dominic Breazeale, much hyped by Haymon and Showtime on the basis of ???? Wtf knows? Other than he was in the same stable and could be relied to walk on to a right hand
43rd - A finally fit and in shape Tyson Fury. The first time Wilder fights a prime, physically ready top 5 ranked opponent

You bring up Joshua which is interesting. A look at the Ring Magazine top ten heavyweights reveals Joshua has fought four of them and is about to fight a fifth. Wilder has faced two and Fury one.

The bottom line is that Wilder was happy to fight second and third rate opponents, but was failing to make any headway with the US boxing public. Under pressure from Showtime they built old Luiz Ortiz into a boogeyman figure and Wilder, to his credit, stepped up a level when he fought him. He then looked to cherry pick a fat, unconditioned Tyson Fury who looked decidedly shot in Seferi and Pianeta comeback fights and that's where it all went horribly wrong.

You want to give him credit for fighting the best HW in the world? Well he will be doing in December but that's not exactly through choice is it? He's the victim of a cherry pick gone wrong. They thought Fury would be an easy way to get a name on his resume and instead even a 40% TF exposed Wilder and a 100% one destroyed him.

All of this I suspect you know in your heart. You just can't see a way to get yourself down from the position you took. The investment you made in him, the hype you bought, the nonsense you parroted. Well I think you can do it. I think we should all, collectively help talk you down from that ledge. Come on down to reality, it's great here. You'll love it. Promise

 

God a lot of you guys are either stupid or you just really hate AJ. "Dropping the belt" is just dumb. And it's not going to happen. The whole point of having a fight for "undisputed" is to have all of the belts on the line. If they start doing a Riddick Bowe, then there's no point. Fury is willing to give up his belt because he is scared that Whyte may actually beat him. Usyk has very little chance against AJ and that's not even debatable. The simple way to go about all of this is AJ fights Pulev and Usyk while Fury fights wilder and Whyte. The winners come together for unification after that. Simple and no ducking.

 

This. I also don’t see Joshua willingly vacating any of his titles. It’s been clear from day one that both he and Hearn want all the titles at heavyweight, so everyone in the division has to go through them.

 

This. Straight to the point.

 

Joshua will defo just vacate whatever strap he's supposed to defend vs Usyk. Fury likely to do same tbh. Whyte vs Willder for vacant wbc strap.

 

What revisionism?

In the last three years, he's faced Luis Ortiz, Tyson Fury, Dominic Breazeale, Luis Ortiz again and Tyson Fury (AGAIN). And he's fighting Tyson Fury (AGAIN) in a couple months.

In the last three years, Wilder has fought better competition than any other top heavyweight.

Facts are facts.

You brought up Stiverne. Usyk has had one fight in two years. Against Chazz Witherspoon.

Pulev's last fight was against Rydell Booker, a journeyman who had been out of boxing for 14 YEARS.

In the past year and a half, Joshua has only faced ANDY RUIZ.

I know you had fun for a long time bashing Wilder, but the simple fact of the matter is Wilder is fighting better heavyweights than ANYONE else, and he has been fighting better heavyweights than anyone else for the last THREE YEARS.

A heavyweight can't fight anyone better than Tyson Fury, who is the World Champion. Wilder has fought him twice, and is fighting him again in a few months. Three times in two years.

But you're apparently confused by that and want to keep talking about that one time he fought Eric Molina five years ago.

Once again, CATCH UP!!!!

You want to bash someone? Bash mandatory heavyweight contenders blocking title fights like Pulev and Usyk, who are fighting the likes of Rydell Booker and Chazz Witherspoon. Because those fights didn't happen five years ago.

 

Usyk may be the one looking for a big payday vs. AJ

But I can see AJ vacating the WBO

 

I honestly don't believe Usyk wants AJ yet -- Usyk's not ready: he needs just a couple more fights at heavy first. I assume they're just trying to get AJ to drop the belt so Usyk can fight someone easier for the vacant belt (like Parker).

That said, "Usyk vs AJ" and "AJ vs Fury" are both good fights really -- I couldn't really complain about either happening -- although I have to say I would strongly prefer AJ vs Fury now, as the winner will be the clear #1, and Usyk can be given more time to acclimate to heavy.

I don't care that much about the belts, but it would be nice to have a true undisputed -- it's a little sad if AJ has to drop the WBO, but oh well.