Anthony Joshua vs deontay wilder who truly wins??

Great post, and exactly how I see it unfolding, too.

Joshua's faced a fair whack of criticism for a lack of risk taking against Takam and Parker but I still think he's showing improvements. Povetkin was the first time we saw Joshua successfully set traps against an elite operator; using the jab to the body to wrestle back a bit of control and walk Sasha onto the monter short right hand that would go on to signal the beginning of the end.

Wilder's defense is easily the worst of the top tier of HWs, I can only see him walking into a similar punch in the middle rounds as he gets increasingly frustrated at being out boxed.

 

I think Wilder's defence has gotten better but it's come at a cost. Early in his reign he was more aggressive vs the likes of Molina and Duhaupas but that version of Wilder was also easier to hit, because when he throws he leaves himself to be countered when he over commits. So now he throws less, he uses his reach and head movement more to fend off opponents and is willing to lose rounds because if he opens up more he gets hit more. The Wilder who fought Duhaupas and Molina would of gotten KO'ed by Ortiz.

Will be interesting to see how Wilder deals with the size a reach of Fury. His defence is all about being long and slipping shots with a low guard which will be harder to do vs an opponent that can out reach him.

 

I agree with all these breakdowns but I’ll add a little more

Anyone can see that Wilder has genuine power in his right hand and whatever the level of opponent it’s going to hurt if he lands it. Just how much it hurts a top level opponent is still questionable though, he’s KOd 39 opponents who have been very sub par standard with the possible exception of Ortiz. We’ve all seen fighters at every weight category who look to have massive KO power as they come through the ranks only to reach a higher level where their power isn’t quite so devasting. Due to the nature of Wilders opponents the jury is still out as to whether his right will get the job done against Joshua, Whyte, Parker, Fury etc

 

If Joshua is the same one that fought against Povetkin with that strong stance, patient game, then Wilder will come forward, try a windmill, and get countered right on the nose where it hurts. AJ is pinpoint with those counters. And if Wilder tries to go toe to toe, all that will happen is Joshua clinching, bullying Wilder onto the ropes, where he gets brutally beaten by combinations.

I also think that when they fight, Wilder's 'power' argument will be exposed. I honestly don't think he hits as hard as Wlad does. That shot from Wlad on AJ is something that Deonkey could only dream of pulling off. Don't get me wrong, Deonkey clearly hits like a truck. But he doesn't hit as hard as some people suggest. This 'one shot and its over' thing that keeps on being mentioned is utter rubbish. Ortiz had no stamina before we even go there. And the rest of his opponents stood in front of him like punching bags. Joshua showed what he could do with one of those punching bags, and he beat Molina up far better than Wilder could ever have done.

Unfortunately he won't make it this far, because Fury is going to be the first to expose him for the joke that he is.

 

AJ was getting outboxed by Povetkin showing he isn't the elite boxer ppl claim him to be. Granted he did set Povetkin up but in a similiar way that Wilder has done so who really has the skills. You also saw Povetkin land first and that would be death against Wilder.

Wilder ain't going to be worried about a supposed skill gap with AJ. AJ still talking about needing more experience says it all. I see him working on the straight right hand and jab but it's disgusting for a belt holder to say he ain't ready. A loss would not hurt his popularity like that knockdown didn't against Vlad.

Wilder by mid round KO, not a TKO, AJ gets put to sleep. Barry Hearn knows this too as he speaks in end of career terms when it comes to Wilder/AJ.

 

It will be a fight where AJ cant turn off and risk getting cought by a big shot.
If he keeps it tight and fights off the jab and keeps focused can see it being an easy fight on the cards

 

You say that about Joshua and call it disgusting but whats disgusting about learning on the job? Hes still taking the fights and defending the belts against his mandatories which are the highest ranked opposition out there for him. Disgusting would be to be well over 30 fights as a pro, winning a world title and being called a baby by your own manager who doesnt want to rush him and certainly thinks over 30 fights is still too soon to be facing the man of the division, in other words ducking.

 

Povetkin definitely posed some serious problems for Joshua for 3-4 rounds. But the things that worked so well for Povetkin, Wilder will not be able to replicate.

Povetkin has much better footwork, he was able to dart in and out and change the range and angles on Joshua. He was especially effective moving to his left to change the angle for his left hook and sneak it in, time and again. Joshua about the 4th round began to figure it out and started blocking more of them. Wilder in comparison won't be darting in and out, he uses his reach rather than moving in and his left hook is not compact like Povetkin's he won't try and sneak it between Joshua's guard, his is a wider shot and he'll try and come round Joshua''s guard which is more likely to be blocked by Joshua's usual guard.

Povetkin also likes to come in low and duck under shots, which made Joshua punch down which of course opened him up for shots over the top, especially the right hand. Joshua was trying to control Povetkin's head after missing the jab and push Povetkin into an uppercut but Povetkin was too quick and came in faster than Joshua could push down with his left and was then whipping right's over the top of Joshua's extended left hand. Obviously Wilder won't do any of that, he'll stay up right, he'll stay at range where Joshua is more comfortable and so won't have that extended left hand to come over the top of with his big right counter. Wilder will need another way to find a path for his right hand.

I do think Wilder is underrated though. His speed and reach is not something Joshua usually has to deal with, not since he fought Wlad has he fought a guy who's quicker and as rangy. His defence is underrated, his upper body and head movement is good and if you fall short he'll counter you with a bomb of a right hand or a fast left hook.

 

I think if they boxed 10 times Joshua would win 6 or 7 of them. In the other 3 he loses concentration and Wilder's right ends the contest. Overall though, Wilder will be facing a man with similar physical attributes, greater weight and greater boxing ability. As long as he boxes well AJ should be banking rounds and Wilder will have to be chasing a KO against a skilled and hard hitting counter puncher.

 

AJ needs to fight a dangerous younger fighter with stamina. Barely beating 40 year-olds doesn't impress me. I think Wilder has enuff in the tank for a KO-3rd, 4th round.

 

50/50 both will at some stage get there Chin's tested.!!!!

 

To be honest I think Ortiz's chin is better than Whyte, so I think Wilder would KO Whyte if he lands.

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This is how I see it, more or less.

Both have similar excellent attributes, Wilder has a tad more power IMHO and a bit more speed and athleticism, and in my view also a stamina advantage, Joshua has the better technique and a clear weight advantage. All things considered I slightly favour the better boxer (Joshua). But honestly would not be surprised for it to go either way.

 

of all people to call someone else out for hatin', it has to be you!

 

AJ to bring back his counter left hook and crack Wilder inside 4, similar to the Martin fight.

Wilder is just a right hand & too slow out the gates.

Easy work.

In-shape Fury vs AJ is the toss-up.