Anthony Joshua vs Dillian Whyte II - August 12 // O2 Arena (DAZN PPV)

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by DramaShow, Jul 6, 2023.


Anthony Joshua vs Dillian Whyte - Who Wins?

  1. Joshua by T/KO

  2. Joshua by Decision

  3. Whyte by T/KO

  4. Whyte by Decision

  5. Draw

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  1. DramaShow

    DramaShow 19 banned Full Member

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    Parker was a lot better than all of those fighters you mentioned when Joshua fought him in his prime to be honest. He was an unbeaten world champion with a reputation of being a master boxer. Joshua beat him at his own game putting on a boxing clinic. One of Joshua’s most impressive performances in his career.

    Franklin did try to beat Joshua? He felt Joshua’s power early on and then went into his shell. The old Joshua would have blasted him out though

    To be fair, Takam was a late replacement for Pulev in late 2017. Pulev would have been a good opponent then after his win over Hughie Fury. Pulev was mandatory at the time so Joshua had to fight him. When Joshua fought Pulev in December 2020, yes he was shot, but again it was Joshua’s mandatory.

    Joshua held 3 belts, Wilder only held 1, so Wilder had a lot less mandatories. Considering these things, why is Wilder’s resume before Fury only having one top-class name in Ortiz. Wilder was world champion for a lot longer than Joshua was. How many of his opponents were mandatories? Which one were voluntary defences?

    Joshua’s voluntary defence against Povetkin is better than any of Wilder’s wins, even Ortiz.
     
  2. Redbeard7

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    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You buy into this smoke and mirrors Hearn nonsense about "resumay". Parker has little power after the first few rounds and even less will to win at a top 10-15 level. He found a way to lose to Whyte ffs. Only beat Chisora and Ruiz with favourable judging.

    Joshua had a bodyguard referee and Matchroom judges vs Parker, who was only fighting to go the distance. Yes he'd outbox Duhaupas, Arreola and Stiverne but he was even less threatening offensively. Very competitive fight with Takam. He was never beating AJ on points in London, it was a cowardly performance.

    Franklin couldn't stop Pavel Sour over 10. Have a lot at Sour's record.

    Takam and Pulev were glorified sparring sessions against featherfisted opponents.

    Those fights did show that Joshua can box pretty well. But they aren't good preparation for a taller, longer, more athletic, braver, more experienced and vastly more powerful Wilder (relative to Joshua's post-Wlad opponents), who will be looking to kill Joshua from round 1.

    I don't care about "Wilder's record before Fury". He's fought Fury x3 and Ortiz x2. It's about where you end up, not where you start.

    Team Povetkin admitted to ducking Ortiz. But they are very comparable wins.

    https://www.rbth.com/sport/2014/04/...itschko_rematch_continue_to_recede_35827.html
     
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  4. DramaShow

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    Just because Parker isn’t hugely powerful doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good fighter in his prime. Robert Helenius is a bigger puncher than Parker. So you are saying Robert Helenius is better than Parker?

    Parker beat Hughie Fury and Ruiz in scrappy fights. They weren’t robberies and were fair decisions. He also beat Takam when he was World Champion.

    Now Parker against Dillian Whyte. You forget that Parker took the fight on only 8 week’s notice. If Parker had the right time to prepare, he would have won. The fight should have also been stopped in the final round anyway.

    Why are we talking about Parker fighting Chisora 3 years after he lost to Joshua and had lost a lot of motivation? He wasn’t gifted a win over Chisora in the first fight anyway. He banked enough rounds. The rematch was a one-sided beat down in Parker’s favour.

    Takam was hardly a sparring session? He made things uncomfortable for Joshua especially with the cut.

    Wilder fought Fury 3 times and didn’t beat him. So the only good win on his resume is Ortiz? We also know what Wilder only fought Fury because he fought Seferi and Pianetia in comeback fights and thought it was an easy-touch.

    We will disagree, but the Povetkin who Joshua fought was better than the Ortiz who Wilder fought. Joshua also gets stuck for not fighting big punchers - Povetkin was the 2nd biggest puncher in the division at the time after Wilder.

    This is all but ignoring Joshua fighting and stopping Wladmir Klitschko!
     
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  5. Redbeard7

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    I'm saying that Parker was useless at that level because he lacked the skill and athleticism to outpoint Joshua in London (Usyk) and lacked the power and balls to take matters into his own hands. Thus he was less dangerous than fighters like Stiverne, Duhaupas and Arreola, who had a go.

    Parker managed to lose to Whyte, regardless of any excuses. Look at what Fury did to Whyte, and Chisora (who was 50-50 with Parker).

    Wilder fought Fury x3, regardless of any excuses. Compare how he did vs Fury to the performances of Whyte and Chisora, who were better fighters than paint dry.

    Povetkin was coming off getting dropped by Price and was slightly older than Ortiz, who was still going 50-50 with AJ-conqueror Ruiz at 43. Povetkin was totally finished at 41. Povetkin was not the 2nd biggest puncher in the division, he may not have even been top 5. And he's the only puncher AJ's fought since Wlad in 2017.

    The Wlad win is Joshua's best but it was life and death and champ Wlad had been schooled by Fury in Germany 17 months prior. It was also back in 2017, Joshua has lost a lot of confidence and courage since that fight.
     
  6. Manning

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    Yes, yes they were.
     
  7. Manning

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    Erm, did you miss the part where Povetkin nearly killed Price in the ring? It was one of the most brutal KO's this century.
     
  8. Bob Flaps

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    Let’s not forget the ref in the Parker fight who was determined not to let Parker near Joshua.
     
  9. Sonny1

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    Spot on post. He’s such a knobhead that poster. Clearly has no friends. Just his imaginary MR colleagues.
     
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  10. Sonny1

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    I’m afraid you are wrong, it’s a very, very, VERY tough fight for AJ. Luckily for all of us he has been so professional about it all, he just wants bash someone up (note - not a live opponent though) blahblahblah zzzzzzzzzzzz

    I doubt many people would even watch it if it was part of their sky sports package. It’s crap, people see through it now. I don’t blame AJ, he’s just had his day now. He shoud retire, otherwise he may end up getting hurt against stick legs if that fight does happen.
     
  11. Sonny1

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    I agree with Wilder comment, it’s laughable that people think he’s a great heavyweight, when he’s shite. Like, really shite. He couldn’t even finish off a 300lb Fury on jelly legs because he was windmilling like an idiot with zero skill. He telegraph’s his punches so much I’m surprised he can even hit the heavy bag.

    Most likely these are the same people who think Fury would have toyed with Harry Holmes. I have learnt that you just have to let them crack on and carry on visualising how Sunny Edwards would beat Ricardo Lopez.
     
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  12. Finkel

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    Another thing to consider is IF Wilder is up next (and like you I would have much preferred the names you are suggesting) Helenius is closer to the physical dimensions of Wilder and win or lose his fights end with a KO, again much like Wilder.
     
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  13. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Not sure why he is so bothered anyway as he don't pay for anything
     
  14. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Parker had a reputation of being a master boxer? :risas3::risas3::risas3:
     
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  15. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    He did not defend his title against Takam Mr Knowledgeshow
     
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