Anthony Joshua vs Muhammad Ali who wins this super fight?

Take better punch? Not so sure on that, its the weight itself.

Muscle ..lean muscle will make a better punch BC the muscle fibers should produce a more explosive movement.

 

Muscles is one part of it. Bone structure transfer the power to the target. Weak links in the chain leaks some power back after impact.

Foreman punched harder than Ali but they were roughly the same size despite Ali much faster. Its like Ali was made out of rubber compared to a more rigged body in Foreman.

 

This guy is clueless comparing Chisora to Frazier. I like Chisora and he was a good fighter about 6-7 years ago, but he is no Joe Frazier. Chisora doesn't have Frazier's stamina, speed, or as good a left hook.

Joe Frazier vs. Bugner (43-5-1) 6'4" 82 inch reach

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Dereck Chisora vs. Vitali (43-2) 6'7" 79 inch reach

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When Hughie 'Shades' Fury becomes undisputed in 2019, laying waste to Femi in the process, all the AJ voters will have some re-evaluating to do.

 

Chisora is a much better fighter than Frazier at heavyweight. Not even a comparison. Just watch the video. Everyone with an active brain sees it.

Deluded "golden era"worshippers...

 

Who did Chisora beat again?

Frazier would not have loses to a novice like Helenius or the extremely green Tyson Fury that Chisora fought in the first fight. Chisora also landed flush left hooks on Haye, who has a weak chin and couldn't drop him. A flush left hook from Frazier would've ended Haye.

I could only see maybe Vitali if he doesn't take too many flush left hooks and Fury if he's under 250+ lbs beating Frazier, since I could see Fury making it a dirty fight like he did against Cunningham. Everyone else on Chisora's resume gets trashed by Frazier.

 

LOL!

 

Your post is as idiotic as usual you Cuck.

And regarding his preparation...yes it was great....as great as it could be for a 41yo coming off the longest layoff in his professional career.....but don't let that cloud your judgement.

Also it's an OPINION not a FACT you ****ing moron.

 

Kubrat Pulev is a 240+ super heavyweight. He hits plenty hard. Obviously not as hard as Wladimir Klitschko or Anthony Joshua, but he has the power to KO both.

And Pulev wasn't anymore of a 'sitting duck' than Joshua was against Wlad. The main difference was, Pulev fought an active and a younger Wlad who was still sharp enough. The timing on the left hook was on. Against AJ, the inactivity and aging ruined his timing. Anybody who has participated in athletic sports and is old enough, would understand how much of an impact age plays with their reflexes, mental sharpness and their energy to compete at the necessity pace / intensity required.

You keep going on about punching ability and power. Yet, it was Wlad who showed the greater punching power and abilities. Considering he dropped Joshua with a single punch, something Joshua failed to do to Wlad. And his knockdown over Joshua was cleaner than any knockdown Joshua got over Wlad.

And you also keep going on about footwork. In terms of footwork, it was Joshua who was backing up for the most part of the fight. Whilst Wlad was controlling the center of the ring more frequently. Therefore, if anything, it was Joshua who was in greater fear of Wlad's punching power and abilities than vice versa. And it was Joshua who wouldn't have made it past the 6th round if he attacked recklessly and ultra-aggressively (like he did against past opponents).

And for all of Joshua's punching abilities and power, Joshua only managed to get one clean / legitimate knockdown over Wlad. The rest were rabbit punches, pushes and throw downs. So even in that department, they were dead even.

The truth is, it was a 50/50 fight that I had Wlad ahead in, at the time of the premature stoppage. And Wlad's demise came, due to not having the stamina at his old age. The fresher and younger Joshua just about won. To claim that age and inactivity didn't play any factor is totally ridiculous. We'll see how Anthony Joshua is doing when he is also 41 years old.

The version of Wladimir Klitshcko that fought Anthony Joshua, would've arguably lost to Kubrat Pulev and would've had a tough time against many of his past opponents. The timing, accuracy and sharpness on his jabs and left hooks were declined significantly when he fought Anthony Joshua.

Let's get real here! Wlad lost many rounds to Bryant Jennings in 2015. That was the beginning of the end for Wlad. Someone like Jennings would've lost a shutout and would most likely have been stopped in Wlad's prime. AJ only just finished what was on the verge of finishing.

 

Watch as he never lets the Vitali fight play out and only cuts and pauses cherry picked segments from the first 3-4 rounds. Watch the full fight from start to finish and you'll see Vitali had a hard time with Chisora and struggled to keep him off him.

He had no issue letting the Ali fight play out for much larger stretches. Chisora is a poor mans Frazier - slower , doesn't hit as hard and is much easier to hit.

Theatricality and deception are powerful agents to the uninitiated.

 

The Klitschko hooks that were defended against Joshua would have layed Pulev out again because Pulev does not move his head and stands straight up. Wlads left hooks are telegraphed and can be seen coming which is why he only has about 3 left hook stoppages to his name out of 67 fights.
If he threw better left hooks in the past , it wouldn't have taken him 11.5 rounds to land one on an exhausted Eddie Chambers. Antony Joshua was better than all of Wlad past opponents and thats why he knocked him out when he was still a young inexperienced novice.

Yeah , lets get real.. This was only 6 months after the Pulev fight and Wlad couldn't lay a left hook on him because Jennings employed some basic movement.

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Another reason why Wlad lost rounds to Jennings is because the ref was under instruction to deny Wlad usage of his illegal holding tactics. The last time that happened Statside , he not only lost round , but lost by stoppage to Lamon Brewster.

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It's not easy for any 6 foot 6, 240+ pound heavyweight to throw left hooks. And Wladimir Klitschko has the best left hook out of any super heavyweight his size. And it's not just about getting direct knockouts, but also for wearing an opponent down and to give them something else to think about.

Wladimir Klitschko knocked Ray Mercer down for the first time in his pro career from a head shot using his left hook.

Wladimir Klitschko knocked Alexander Povetkin down with a left hook for the first time in Povetkin's amateur + pro career combined, consisting of around 200 bouts.

Wladimir Klitschko knocked Kubrat Pulev out for the first time in his amateur and pro boxing career with his left hook.

Wladimir Klitschko knocked Eddie Chambers out unconscious with his left hook and that was the only time Eddie Chambers was ever even stopped in his pro boxing career.

Wladimir Klitschko stopped Ray Austin with triple / quadruple leaping left hooks (Roy Jones Jr style). Find me one super heavyweight of Wladimir Klitschko's size, that has ever thrown left hooks like that and stopped an opponent like that. I challenge you!

I can go on and on but you get the drift! It's ridiculous to claim that Wladimir Klitschko doesn't have a good left hook when no other super heavyweight his size has shown better left hook feats.

Eddie Chambers is a very slick boxer. Thus, it requires time to get the timing to land good left hooks on someone like Chambers. Who is far more elusive than Anthony Joshua anyway.

Anthony Joshua didn't knock Wladimir Klitschko out. It was a premature stoppage, with the ref stopping the fight whilst Wlad was blocking every punch Joshua threw, despite being tired and the referee giving Joshua false knockdowns that weren't even legitimate knockdowns to begin with.

And athletes can and have grown old / declined in a span of a few months. It has happened before you know! Bryant Jennings is no better than many past heavyweights Wladimir Klitschko shutout / stopped. David Haye would've knocked that version of Wladimir Klitschko out.

We will see how Anthony Joshua does, when he is also 41 years old (assuming he will still even be boxing).

 

I never said he doesn't have a good left hook , i said the effectiveness of the punch was dependent on the quality of the opponent , i.e if you weren't standing upright with zero defense the chance of Wlad catching you with a left hook was greatly diminished. As evidenced by the fact he needed to wear Chamber down with loads of holding and leaning before he was able to catch him.

I accept your challenge.

Riddick Bowe one shotted Jesse Ferguson out cold with a short compact single left hook in round ONE. Bowe didn't need 12 rounds like Wlad did or require another 2 lefts like Wlad did with Austin. One left - boom- gone.

This was right after Jesse beat PRIME Ray Mercer and you were just gloating about how Wlad dropped an old washed up Ray Mercer with a left hook so don't even bother trying downplay this fine example by rubbishing Ferguson or Ray Mercer.
If Bowe fought the puddings Wlad did , he'd have a lot more left hook stoppages on his resume.

Right , Wlad dropping to the canvas like a falling tree was not a legitimate knock down? lol. As i said before- lies , deception and intellectual dishonestly is all you have to offer since you know the arguments you put forward can't hold up on their own merits.

For example - Ali has much better wins than Wladimir Klitschko , Foreman for starters... You - Sam Peter was just as good as George Foreman... Chambers was equal to Ali.. Thats your entire argument in a nutshell Elroy and its why people see you as a comedy act over on the seen and when you posted here under Glover etc.

Thats another useless narrative you'll peddle in order to deprive Jennings , Fury and Joshua of any credit.

 

Exactly this. Kubrat Pulev for instance in my opinion has the best scoring/power jab of the HW division, even better than Wlad and Fury's.

But as soon as he stood toe to toe against a hall of famer he had to think about the 2 and 3 also. That alone is a huge advantage in the battle of jabs. It enabled Wlad to use his jab for probing, peeling, blinding, bating, protecting etc. That's why I hate debates when people try to isolate specific skills and compare it to another. Category for category like boxing is some sort of Athletics penthatlon in the olympics. It doesn't work like that. Everything goes hand in hand in the ring.

Also this is why I can't see Wilder being effective against Joshua. No size, athletic or skill advantage for chicken and only a right hand for Joshua to think about - OK a straight and a swing to be fair. Ortiz had the windmill at bay but at the same time opened up his guard to much for the straight to sneak in. Not as an effective punch but it gave Wilder momentum to start up the windmill.

 

The bolded part is MAINLY the reason why I believe Kubrat Pulev may just be a bad stylistic match up for Anthony Joshua in terms of being able to win rounds. Even though he may end up getting stopped later on in the fight and even though he lacks significant KO power. But weighing 240+ pounds, I believe Pulev has sufficient power to hurtt the likes of Joshua and keep them honest.

Wladimir Klitschko was having some success with his scoring jabs against Joshua when he found his timing late on in the fight. I believe Pulev would too.