Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk.

Aren't we considered decepticons in your little world? While you see your drugged up, roid fuelled "monster" hero that can't be touched, as Optimus Prime?

I'm curious, why don't you share with us what you'd be willing to do if I told you that I personally know of someone who lives as a neighbour to your hero?

What if I told you I could give you the chance of meeting your him in the flesh VIP access? What kind of humiliating tasks would you be willing to put yourself through?

If I said that you would have to roll around on the floor on street while barking like a dog, before you bowed down before me and licked the foul rotting crud off my shoes, before it was uploaded to all social media platforms, would you do it?

And if I demanded that you departed with all and any funds that you and your family managed to accrue throughout your lifetime, would you do so without hesitation?

I ask these things since they are possible, and since I'm aware how much of a devoted mascot you are, I'm confident I can turn your fanboy dreams into reality, providing you are willing to undertake such tasks with the same zealous you display on these boards.

So what do you say, want to meet the champ?

 

Usyk he doesn't have the power to keep a man as big and strong as Joshua off him.

Unless Usyk boxed brilliantly, Joshua would eventually connect with some big punches and knock him out.

 

Name a better heavyweight resume first 20 fights ?

This site is full of haters and fanboys

 

Name me a time when the heavyweight division was as sparse as it currently is and Joshua is not to blame for that but when the division is as weak as it is you should be expected to be moving along a little bit quicker....BUT......in any other part of the last 20 years he wouldn't have been moved as quickly as even in the Klitchko era there was more depth.

Right now for your original remark about Usyk only fighting limited opposition, yet Joshua has been moved quickly?....explain how.....and whilst you are at it remove your casual head from AJ's arse.

 

Usyk UD easy .

 

Sorry to disappoint alot of you, but AJ is too big and too strong.

For you lot to say he would school AJ without even having a HW fight yet is pretty naive.

Its pretty clear alot of posters here have never laced up and been in the ring with someone with an obvious size advantage against them.

 

He likely wouldn't of been moved on as quickly because of who was champions at the time, namely Vitali and Wlad. Fact is the Martin fight came out off an opportunity they didn't expect after Fury was stripped. They have admitted it was a risk as it would put Joshua at world level at a stage they would have preferred to have reached at a later stage, but the opportunity was too good to let pass as an easy belt would mean more money for future fights.

Had he been around during the Wlad and Vitali era and suddenly a belt was stripped and won by someone on the level of Martin we would of likely seen a similar scenario where he grabs an easy belt. Haye did it, he had a title shot in only his 24th bout and 3rd fight at heavyweight against Valuev.

As for depth during the Klitschko era it was hardly great other than the Klitschko's let's not pretend people didn't rag on the depth in that era too, just like they do with every era, especially a transitional era like this one.

Lets go back 10 years and look at The Ring March 2008 rankings, outside of Vitali and Wlad we had...

Chagaev who's best wins were Valuev, Ruiz and Skelton, wow impressive, NOT! Maybe prime Chageav would be top 5 now, maybe...
Povetkin who wasn't ready for Wlad and who's best win was Chambers or a shot Byrd and is still in the current era though of course is now a little faded.
Valuev who well was Valuev and would be beaten by anyone in the current top 5
Ibragimov who would never fight again and who's best wins were a shot Holyfield and an old Briggs.
Peter who was never that good and is basically known for beating a fat James toney.
Maskaev who's chin would give Wilder's a run for it's money in regards to fragility and just been KO'ed by Peter
Gomez who was a blown up cruiser known for well nothing. Prime Maskaev wouldn't be top 10 even in this era.
Dimtrenko who was undefeated at the time and we all know was crushed by Parker, so obviously not top 10 in the current era.

So we have at least 3 top 10 heavies in 2008 that wouldn't be top 10 now, so again how bad is this era really? People thought the early 90's was a garbage era too, so you claiming it's a bad era is meaningless when we don't know what some of the guys in this era will go on to achieve. Maybe Usyk is the next Holyfield and becomes heavyweight champion, maybe Joshua wins a rematch and never loses again, maybe Wilder is better than we expect and beats Ortiz, Joshua and Usyk, maybe a fighter now is still champion 10 years from now.

 

I would argue that Chagaev, Peter, Ibragimov (who was a let down to me as I really rated him), Byrd, Valuev and Haye would all be in today's top 10, along with Povetkin, Parker, AJ and Wilder.

Today's division outside of the champions, Povetkin and let's be honest a really unproven Ortiz is barren and wouldn't be in the top 10 of yesteryear.

The problem I see currently in the division is the old guard I.e. Povetkin and Pulev are nearly 40 and the up and comers are still too green in essence to be seen as top tier fighters. Again that is not their fault as from the top tier at heavyweight there is a massive drop off the the next level of fighters.

I want the division to gain pace as a healthy heavyweight division makes for healthy boxing.

 

Well Usyk is 6'3/6'4 with a 78" reach, excellent ring generalship, excellent footwork for a big man and is very skilled to boot....its not like he's some plodding fat dwarf like David Tua.

Also Usyk does very well against the bigger men, obviously as a rule. If the fight comes off it will be a true mega fight for boxing.

 

Yeah I pretty much agree with your sentiments here. But any division is pretty much barren outside of usually the top 5 or so. The bottom 5 of the heavyweight ranks is always a revolving door of unproven contenders that are popular at that time. It's rare when you get a truly deep division where you are several top 10 fighters that are highly rated and proven and in their prime.

Agreed about Ortiz, other than Jennings he's really unproven. He could be a top heavyweight or he could be another guy like Solis who everyone was high on until he actually stepped up.

 

2004-2014 was the worst HW division known to man.

Holyfield who should have retired around 2000 was able to hang around till age 46 and fought WBA champ Valeuv in 2008 in a fight he should have won.

Cruisers like Haye , Chambers and Byrd fought at Heavy because their own divisions were too competitive. Haye hasn't been a factor at heavy in donkeys years.

Old James Toney was getting title eliminators ffs . He fought Sam Peter twice. Wlad defended his belts against Peters twice. And Toney handled Peter in his first encounter far easier than Wlad did.

This era is greater because it has 4 way rivalry - Fury , AJ , Wilder And Parker.. K2 era just had Wlad and a heap of random challengers.

 

Check yourself.

A 4 way rivalry of fighters in which 2 of them have only got one good win against Klitschko and AJ nearly lost.

Wilder has fought 1 top 10 ranked opponent in Stiverne in nearly 40 fights....the fact that Stiverne is still ranked proves how weak it is.

Parker has beaten.......oh yes Hughie Fury.

Yeah great 4 fighters you haver there.

 

You can half it and come away with the Joshua vs Wilder rivalry which is better than anything from the horrid K2 era.

Divisions need rivalries.

 

The fight should happen but you've just made a list on fighters who where more proven than AJ and Wilder....especially Wilder and claimed it was a weak era..LOL.

Wilder couldn't even cut it as Haye or Wlads sparring partner.

 

Wilder ruined Hayes career in sparring. It was after those sparring sessions that Haye realized he wasn't good enough to cut it against the top dogs , hence the following pull out against Fury.