Anthony Joshua vs. Otto Wallin & Deontay Wilder vs. Joseph Parker - Live Results Round by Round.

You are going to have one hell of a Merry Xmas updating your CV rankings after last night and 2 sides of A4 will not be long enough to include Wilder with Fury surely on page 2.

Enjoy the moment but remember earlier on the thread the shrewd people posted that Wilder is 38 years of age and only had 1 round of boxing in 2 years prior to last night.

That is more or less an old man coming out of retirement and we all know that very few have anything left when they come back losing to grossly inferior opponents they would have beat easily in their prime. Ricky Hatton is a good example.

Hopefully Santa brings you a book on context to help your rankings going forward.

Have a good one.

 

Prime Tyson would smoke the entire current shower easily.

 

Usyk for be me to is too smart and technically gifted for Tyson and would of beaten him.

It's debatable about AJ vs Tyson.

 

A,J has improved technically. Never been Ben Davisons biggest fan but him or someone he has drafted in for the job has improved AJs boxing technique.

DDD has improved strategically. His ringcraft was better than before and tactfully sticking to a gameplan whilst covering his weaknesses was on point.

Lyndons stock went up, even tho he was never in the fight hardly, quite odd.

Not a bad night of boxing....ur excellency.

 

Good performance from Parker, but let’s not get confused, Wilder is 38 and has been inactive. The win is big for Parker but by no means diminishes Fury’s wins over him

AJ looked good but seemed very comfortable probably because he knows Wallin well having done many rounds in camp with him.

Ben Davison is a great move for Joshua though.

Dubios delivered!! Very happy for him.

I’d like to see Dubios vs Whyte and Miller vs Chisora on the same card.

Who does Parker fight next?

 

Went to bed last night thinking the heavyweight scene has never felt more scrambled.

Triangulation means it's now tough to get a handle on anything (except maybe one thing):

AJ: beat a sofa-version of Klitchko in life/death, Ruiz loss hurts overall legacy - should have won - & leads to new safety style and lack of excitement, with best and most spiteful performance last night since pre-Ruiz. Usyk wins handily twice against gunshy 'boxer' AJ. Yesterday, AJ made Wallin look out of his depth, the same Wallin (on a good run) who made...

FURY: ...look bang in trouble. A fury win that is amongst his 'top wins', of which Klitchko is the only stand out. Klitchko win comes after a dreadful camp in which Klitchko's marriage was ending and he was aged anyway. No rematch (duck/banned?). Other wins of note include Wallin (above) and Whyte (not world level) who was spudded by other good but not elite competition. Otherwise it's just Wilder - life and death draw, convincing second fight, wins the third one. But this is the same...

WILDER:...that everyone on this forum has roundly said is one of the worst boxers of literally all time - ever - (I exaggerate a bit), but with an epic right hand. The same Wilder that....

PARKER:... just took everything away from last night with decent but hardly 'chess grandmaster' strategy. So much so that Wilder really just circled the ring for 12 without throwing. The same Parker who...

AJ:.... bashed up convincingly, and who

JOE JOYCE.... mashed up and spudded. Before being spudded himself twice by Xhang. The same Joe Joyce who bashed up...

DUBOIS:... a few months ago. Dubois has a non-win win over Usyk, but in the jaws of non-victory claimed an epic 'no mas' defeat, and again last night showed himself to be a confidence fighter. When under pressure and struggling the man is vulnerable to heart failure, but when confident can perform...

You get the point I hope. It just becomes very hard to have any clear sense of the top of this division, especially as age and decline are factors in the most celebrated names.

I would say:

1. USYK. I think he will stop fury, who I think is in physical decline quite seriously now.
2. Joshua. I think AJ would KO Fury. I also think Joshua of last night would have won USYK 2 fight. Gunshy AJ loses every time.
3. Fury. Only on account of physical decline of Joyce, (2 year back Joyce to stop Kronk fury imo)

 

Haha lovee this post.

Have to agree after seeing Fury against Ngannou and watching Joshua last night id back AJ to KO fury now.

Can call that recency bias but I can only go on what ive seen over the past year to 18 months.

You have 1 guy who is active and clearly got his confidence back. Then you have another who is inactive, fat and getting dropped by MMA fighters

 

Wow

 

Maybe a Ruiz rematch or get Dubois in there?

 

Loving how much that Parker win has messed everything up and how it's now lessened the Fury wins over Wilder, in the eyes of some, thus placing more pressure on him to turn up and turn it on against Usyk. Fury can't dine out on being the only man to beat Wilder now and regardless of what people say that's been his thing for the last two years, fighting Chisora, Whyte and Ngannou and kicking back thinking he's King of the division because he beat Wilder. I still can't believe how aggressive Parker was, imagine if he was that forthcoming against AJ, Whyte and Joyce, two of three of them he'd have probably won.

 

Wallin looked fat, old, slow and balding

Cashgrab. Shame on him

 

Haha, cracked me up reading that!

I'm never going to use Fury's lifestyle choices as an excuse for him, they're his own weaknesses, that's who he is. Ravel Morrison could have been one of the best players of his generation if he got his life together but he never did. Fury is in the slackers division when it comes to boxing, you don't have to cut weight like a nutter and kill yourself at times to do it, you just have to stay sharp, train regularly and focus, he got fat because he slacked off, that Ferrari wasn't going anywhere near the bridge just like his purse was going nowhere near the homeless.

 

Overall it was a good night of boxing.

Sure, there were quite a few mismatches, and Bivol summed it up when he described his fight as "sparring". But we saw several top class operators on there, some great knockouts, and a couple of upsets. Even though it was an 8 hour event, it didn't feel too stretched.

Have to compare it to some of the crap pay-per-view events served up in recent years: Fury-Whyte and Fury-Chisora undercards were scandalous; Chisora-Parker, Whyte-Rivas etc not PPV-worthy main events either. This was streets ahead.

Fight of the night: Dubois-Miller, so pleased for Daniel.
KO of the night: Opetaia, he's some fighter.
Disappointment of the night: dead heat between Wilder and Wallin.

More of the same please. I would happily sacrifice 2-3 undercard slots for seeing the big names in tougher matches.

 

Tyson would chop Joshua in half and Usyk would have to run 10 marathons to keep away from a prime Iron Mike Tyson.

 

A plus point about that card, there wasn't some girl from a "humble" background "she used to work in JD Sports you know" fighting a ten rounder against a random South American kick boxer with a record of 13-6 for a World Title before the main event. As bad as some heavyweight mismatches are at least they're over soon. Losing half an hour watching someone become a World Champion after 8 pro fights, turning pro after winning a boxercise competition when they wanted to get their beach body for Ibiza in 2019, that's not for the big cards.