Anthony Joshua vs prime Luis Ortiz

Interpret it however you like. I’m just posting what Ortiz’s own manager is quoted as saying

 

Ortiz took home around 7 million for the Wilder rematch. Ortiz briefly did some posturing for the media when Miller dropped out, as did Hearn, but that fight wasn’t seriously on the table in 2019. Hearn wanted no part of the fight for Whyte or Joshua when it would’ve made more sense.

 

I came to a point where I dont like talking about Joshua too much. He is the most delusional Hw fighter of the century. Hes one the most overhyped fighters ever, has a wafer chin, he beat washed up, old and insignificant fighters in his career and his power his overrated , Parker, Ruiz twice, Franklin, Usyk twice and now Dubois held his blows very well. Better a half fighter like Wilder who lacks fundamentals and has only a powerful right hand in his arsenal. It's a mistery how this fighter has gained so much money in his career. Hes a fraud and a joke. Heres why when I see threads on eventual his fights with fighters of the past I rarely reply.

 

I wonder if Hearn made Whyte fight Rivas in order to keep Rivas from Joshua.

 

- British
- HW
- Marketable look
- Olympic success at a time where his home country was the host
- Fought multiple top 10 ranked opponents and held multiple world titles
- Drawing power and name recognition second only to Canelo in the post-Floyd era.

 

He still gain so much for have beat an old Klitschko in a spectacular fight imo.

He has almost the same number of losses in the whole Tyson long career.

 

2016/2017 Anthony Joshua vs 2016/2017 Luis Ortiz

Joshua: 6’5.5, 82 inch reach, 250 lbs, 27/28 years old, boxing since age 18, competed as an amateur for 45 months, controversially won the 2012 Olympics in London at SHW, 17/19-0 (all inside the distance, 5 in the first round), 4 years as a pro, exclusively fought in Britain and mainly in London, lost 2/7 rounds, knocked down zero times/once as a pro, orthodox

Ortiz: 6’2.5, 78 inch reach, 240 lbs, officially 37/38 years old, boxing since age 10, first recorded amateur bout in January 1998 at 178 lbs, on the Cuban national team from 2002-2008 (training with Cuban amateur greats F. Savon and Solis), won the 2005 Pan American Games in Brazil at HW, 28-0/29-0 (26/27 inside the distance, 8 in the first round), 8 years as a pro, fought in 8 nations and never at home, lost 3 rounds, never knocked down as a pro, southpaw

“If I have another one of these fights, I’m done with boxing. I should be good enough that I don’t have to go through hell and back to win a fight. It should be a good competition, but I shouldn’t have to go through one of those fights to win.” - Joshua to McCracken post-Wlad

Ortiz was officially younger than Wlad, Povetkin, Pulev and Helenius when Joshua beat them. 43 year old, 2 KO defeat Ortiz performed far better against Ruiz (very close 12 round decision loss) than 29 year old, 22-0 Joshua did (dropped 4 times and quit in 7). Joshua’s performances against Cubans (E. Savon), southpaws (Nistor, Cammarelle, Usyk), big punchers (Wlad, Dubois) and Cuban-trained front foot counter punchers (Ruiz) haven’t been good, which strongly suggests that Ortiz would have been a bad stylistic matchup for him. Hence Matchroom signed the highly avoided Ortiz in 2016 in order to keep him away from Joshua, as Whyte stated.

"(New Matchroom signing) Luis Ortiz against Joshua could be a huge fight for 2017 and we have no problem in making that fight if it is the right move. People get the impression that AJ is mollycoddled, but they couldn't be more wrong. Look at the Charles Martin fight, everyone looks back and says it was an easy fight, but at the time they were saying it was a hard fight that was coming too early. If the reward is there to take the risk against Ortiz, who is very dangerous, and the fight is big enough, then yes, let's do it.” - Eddie Hearn, 2016

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...oxing-wladimir-klitschko-boxing-a7408346.html

I suppose Molina and Takam were more worthy opponents.

 

You seem to have a conflicting view of events compared to Ortiz’s own manager. Weird

 

I just clicked on your profile to see your last posts. The entire page of posts is you being a Joshua fanboy. I find that amusing.

 

I think Joshua got overrated for some time, by myself also, but the version of Povetkin that he beat was better than Ortiz from the Wilder fight.
Joshua eventually stops him, but gets tagged and probably rocked along the way.

 

Povetkin's promoter admitted to avoiding Ortiz in 2014:

https://www.rbth.com/sport/2014/04/...itschko_rematch_continue_to_recede_35827.html

Stylistically I think Ortiz causes Joshua more trouble than Povetkin, which is probably why the fight never happened. Ortiz was a Cuban (like Savon), southpaw (Nistor, Cammarelle, Usyk), Cuban-trained front foot counter puncher (like Ruiz) and probably a bigger puncher than the 6'1, 222 lbs Povetkin (Ortiz had 28/30 inside the distance going into the Wilder fight compared to Povetkin's 24/35 going into the Joshua fight).

The Ortiz who fought Wilder the first time was officially younger than the Povetkin who fought Joshua. But Ortiz's career best win came over 2 years prior to that. The best version of Joshua was probably the most confident one (going into the Wlad fight) but he was a very green pro.

 

This is ridiculous, Ortiz barely made it past Martin.

 

Feel free to quote a post of me being a “fanboy”

 

43 years old in that fight tbf

 

Well he never fought much differently. He’s always been a slow fighter with whatever defense. His left hand and fundamentals have always carried him.