Anthony Joshua vs. Rocky Marciano

Nobody is here saying he was. You just want people to be saying that. Rocky Marciano was naturally over 200 lbs deny that all you want but the people that knew him attest to it. He wasn't in fighting shape at that weight but he certainly walked around at it just like Golovkin walks around at 175, Spence 168, etc. Marciano was naturally a big dude. Kovalev isn't. He's naturally a toothpick. Don't jump into a discussion if you have no idea what is going on.

 

This. Marciano at 185-190 lbs was built like a rock while Kovalev isn’t. He usually came in around 190 lbs for heavier opponents, who were easier targets and closer to 185 for mobile opponents.

Even Beterbiev mentioned he feels stronger and better when he doesn’t come in over 183lbs, since even though he has fought at around 185 to 187 before he didn’t perform as well and his stamina is much better now that he’s staying closer to 175 lbs.

 

What a load of rubbish. As well as trying to shut Charlietf up, but at the same time come up with your own jump to "Marciano was a big dude".

Marciano was a big dude but Kovalev wasn´t?

Kovalevs fighting weight has now been claimed many times to be over 180lb, often 185lb on fight night. Also by himself. He does have to shred a good amount of weight to make the weigh-in, like disappearing for 0,25lb at the Alvarez weight-in. At a height of 6 feet, he got a BMI of 25.1. In what world is a shredded, trimmed down athlete with 6' and a BMI of 25 a toothpick? But Marciano was a "Rock"? Marciano fought at 182 or below some times too, which gives us a BMI of 25.6 (Height 5`10 1/2"). Souces around the web say that Kovalev walks around over 190lb and has to make weight. Threads here at BF24 discussed him fighting at CW. Its exactly as @Charlietf said, the size difference is insignificant. He could come in trimmed and comfortable at 190lb if he wanted to without a limit. Statements like "Marciano was naturally a big dude. Kovalev isn't." are pure exaggeration, always the same when discussing Rocky Marciano. He wasn´t a 200lb fighter. He wasn´t a modern CW (210lb at fight night). He wasn´t a pure 190lb CW, no 70s/80s HW (215lb) and for sure nowhere near HW today. He was right between 175 and "Junior Heavyweight".

And he sure as hell got ZERO business fighting SHW AJs today. Absolute nilch. Does. Not. Exist.

Give RBV no chance. Thanks.

 

The history of boxing shows that the Joe Louis sized frame used to be the general size where guys never got better.

They got bigger. They never got better. That was the ideal for decades. There were limits on the human body whereby a level of boxing just was not realised beyond a certain size. It could not be achieved beyond a point. It levelled off.

Changes to training meant a bigger size of guy than Joe Louis could be better than they ever could be before. A previously Non-functional sized man can be more successful.The examples of this are the Klitschkos, Joshua who are athletes who could not exist as successfully before as fighters.

These changes also mean the joe Louis sized guys can carry more weight too. So they exist in another form today that they could never exist as in the past.. because the changes had not happened.

Ruiz is hardly even a Joe Louis sized guy. He carried 50lb excess and had no difficulty exposing Anthony first time around.

Joshua lost that fight and first time around he was always going to.

I really cannot see that predicting a result like the Ruiz loss performed by a great fighter from another era at that time of Joshua’s shouldn’t be expected.

 

When exactly was this string of 5 straight KO's?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

What discussion? I replied to your comment simple like that, who cares if rocky weighed 250 pounds when he was not on the ring? The point is that he was a 185 pounder as boxer to be in shape

 

Amen

 

It's all solid facts. You can't argue with physics. Marciano naturally weighed over 200 and trimmed down to peak condition. It's fact, I'm not going to argue the facts here with you. Next thing you'll be claiming that climate change isn't real and that pigs fly.

Considering Marciano walked around at over 200 lbs on a 5'11" frame I'd say absolutely. Kovalev looks like a skinny who's waist is the size of Marciano's leg. If you met him in person you'd understand how thin he really is. He's not malnourished but in context of the original quote that Marciano was smaller than Kovalev, he's absolutely not a big dude.

I've already addressed this in my other responses in this thread.

You have literally no understanding of what a BMI even is. BMI is a tool used to measure height to body mass ratio. If you go by BMI then you think Kovalev is overweight. It's not representative at all of useful to high level athletes.

Marciano fought at 193 on the same coin. Why would you use his lower weigh in's rather than an average of all his weights? An average which comes out to 185 and 187 in world title fights.

Marciano weighed in on fight not as over Kovalev's walk around weight on multiple occassions. According to you Marciano has to be the only fighter in the history of boxing to fight at his walk around weight. In reality he cut about 15 lbs or more maybe to get into perfect shape. It would be impossible for Marciano to maintain peak fighting shape year round without overtraining.

But yet when someone claims Marciano was smaller than Kovalev you've all of a suddenly lost your voice. Someone who walks around at 200+ lbs is a big dude. Someone with 12 inch arms and looks smaller than most people that weigh 160 or 170 is definitely not a big dude.

Cool. I never said he was.

Modern cruiserweights aren't regularly weighing 210 on fight night. I'd wager an extremely significant amount weigh at or under 200 on fight night. Cruisers weigh in the mid-lower 190s all the time. You think they're dehydrating more than they have to under 200 because they want to? No it's becaue they aren't cutting weight at all.

Sure he wasn't. He was heavyweight champ. If you're insinuating he would be too small to compete as a cruiser when the limit was 190 you're sadly mistaken.

Yeah whatever you say bro. Again for about the 3rd or 4th time on this post alone I'm telling you that this side bar is about Marciano not being smaller than Kovalev as was first proposed by RB1702.

 

That's your problem not mine. Don't expect me to cater to you because you don't have the common sense to read the previous posts. It only makes you look ignorant, not anyone else.

Again, nobody is using the 250 lb fat retired version of Marciano as any sort of gauge. For some reason Marciano detractors have a really big habit of bringing up random stuff and arguing against it. I could say Marciano was Italian and you'd reply with "Marciano wouldn't last 5 rounds with Wlad! I can't believe you'd suggest that!"

 

Son.. I only mentioned 250 pounds like an example, a random number.
Dumb comment that makes no sense, it is not what i said at all. Don't worry , just look at how many people agreed with your comment and then look at how many agreed with my first answer. See you baby.

 

Stopping reading when you claimed Klitchko is a huge puncher!
Who did he ever knocked?He could not KO even Shanon Briggs whom 50 years old Foreman beat!
Lewis beat Briggs in his prime worse than Klitchko did against old Briggs!
Klitchko was beaten by CW Byrd and feather fisted Fury and he is huge puncher?
I know that dumb things came from Joshua stupid fans!

 

When exactly?
Few months,or year...
But he knocked Walcott and Savold and beat Bivins which impressive!

 

You're the moron, not me. You live in a fantasy world if you believe Marciano stands any chance in the past few decades.
He was great for his era and he's respected for that, but that's about it.

Pretty much any top HW from the past 3 decades.

Those HOF's are ranked in the top 100 based on what they achieved in their own era, not based on how they would have done in the eras that followed.

I can't say they are exactly better skill-wise, but they'd beat them. Charles and Louis aren't even proper HW's in terms of weight by today's standards.

 

That's not an answer.

Where is the 5 KO streak you mentioned?

 

Stop switching the goal post with bibles. You "wrote"

"Marciano was naturally a big dude. Kovalev isn't. He's naturally a toothpick. Don't jump into a discussion if you have no idea what is going on."

Its pure RBV BULL****! Its nonsense like this that leads to these threads..

Kovalevs rehydrated weights:

Pascal: 185 lb
Hopkins: 185 lb
Caparello: 185 lb
Sillakh: 181 lb

His next plans for CW, his trainer said "As long as we go to 185 [pounds], we’re good." planing to catch a fight at 5-10lb more than the LHW limit, because he got trouble of making that weight. "The former unified champ is tired of killing his body to make weight and instead, has opted to move up to the Cruiserweight division."

https://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/sergey-kovalev-is-moving-up-to-the-cruiserweight-division/
https://www.*******.com/duva-making-weight-makes-kovalev-really-ornery--88502

I won´t bother to compare the avarage or median of Rockys weight with Kovalevs on the fight, because is absolute insignificant. I don´t know the grams of Kovalevs walk around weight, but there ain´t a good source for Rockys walk around weight either other than claiming its 200lb. From Kovalevs troubles of making weight its extremely likely he walks around way more than 190lb as well. Again, its insignificant.

"Considering Marciano walked around at over 200 lbs on a 5'11" frame I'd say absolutely. Kovalev looks like a skinny who's waist is the size of Marciano's leg. If you met him in person you'd understand how thin he really is."

And again, more RBV BULL****. Is that the slim waist you´re talking about? 32 inches? The same measurements as Rocky Marciano?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OxoR57u2BWg/maxresdefault.jpg
https://starsunfolded.com/sergey-kovalev/
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/original-1955-rocky-marciano-don-1844249228

The size of Rocky Marcianos huge legs, that recorded 22 inches? Two inches less than that ex. SMW Canelo? Sure, the huge legs of Rocky

Seriously, stop inventing fairytales about this boxer. It will be taken, mixed up with Marvel Culture and some colored sunglasses to create and multiplicate viral written nonsense. Its called: RBV

Give RBV no chance. Thanks.