Anthony Joshua vs Sonny Liston

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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  2. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    This is a Liston love fest. AJ is a skilled super heavyweight. He's essentially a faster, more fluid version of Bruno who while slightly less powerful, throws excellent combinations and is very accurate and has great fundamentals. This ain't Cleveland Williams and Liston can win and I see the reasons for picking him, but he might have met his match in AJ.
     
  3. Webbiano

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    Because he was a few years past his best. Joshua however may not have reached his peak.
     
  4. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    He's 31....whats he waiting on?
     
  5. Webbiano

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    He’s clearly still learning, that much is undeniable, which suggest he may still improve.
     
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    I'm not sure. He's pretty good, but I don't know how much he will improve
     
  7. Webbiano

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    Me neither bud, just hypothetically it is very possible, he’s only just come off his first loss, fought for a world title (although not against fantastic opposition) less than 3 years into his career. Considering his lack of fights his quality of opposition is not that bad.

    Dillon Whyte, a future top 5 guy that was ranked as the best challenger behind the current champs.

    Martin was a belt holder (although a very weak one in a historical sense) may have been in the top 10

    Takam was probably just outside the top 10

    Klitschko although past it was still one of the longest reigning champions in the division history, likely would have still been top 5 if he was active.

    Parker a current title holder & I’m guessing top 5 at the time he beat him.

    Povetkin a former world title holder & ranked as the 3rd best heavyweight for a number of years & arguably the third best heavyweight from the previous generation. No doubt in the top 10 when Joshua beat him, has now become a top 3 contender behind Joshua & Wilder.

    Andy Ruiz a unified champion as well a top 3 ranked heavyweight despite coming in out of shape
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

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    Thanks for correcting me mate!
     
  9. swagdelfadeel

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    Considering he was likely caught laughing, only had 6 fights at the time, hadn't even been fighting professionally for a year, and destoryed Marshall 2X in rematches, I think it's safe to say it was an anomaly. If Liston was indeed susceptible to getting his jaw broken, Cleveland Williams, Nino Valdez, Mike Dejohn among others would've easily accomplished this but they didn't. This notion that Liston was not durable, and would've cracked as soon as someone with Joshua's power hit him, does not stand even mild scrutiny.
     
  10. Kamikaze

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    Sasha in recent times has proven size is a factor not the decider.
     
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  11. swagdelfadeel

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    This is just a cliche repeated ad nauseam without any substance. It simply isn't true. He fought approximately 9 fighters who were under 190 pounds.
    Who wasn't that good? Eddie Machen, Cleveland Williams, Roy Harris, just off the top of my head were all very skilled contenders, rated, and in their primes by the time they fought Liston. Patterson, was also referred to by Ali as the most skilled fighter he ever fought but that didn't stop him from being dispatched than Liston twice inside a single round.
    KO percentages do not tell the whole story. Pre exile Ali had a higher KO percentage than Lewis, Bowe, Frazier, and Tyson. Would you suggest he hit harder than all of them? You forgot to mention Liston has nearly twice the kos as Joshua. 39 KOs to Joshua's 21. Rather disingenuous of you not to mention that but trying to claim some sort of victory in that Joshua has a higher KO percentage.
    At least 11 of Joshua's KOs, MORE THAN HALF, were over men who were low level fighters at best, and/or fighters you'd never even heard of.

    Another intentionally misleading and deceptive way to word things. Joshua has 6 KOs in world title matches. 6. The only reason that that's "about a third" of his KOs, is because of his rather minimal amount of KOs (at the moment) at 21. Let's see how that compares to other fighters
    Tyson has 10 KOs in World Championship matches.
    Ali has 14 KOs in World Championship matches.
    Louis has 24 KOs

    As a matter of fact, Liston would've surpassed this number as well had he been given his shot when he deserved. He would've had KOs over Williams 2X, Folley, Harris, Patterson 2X, etc. As it turns out, by the time Liston finally got the championship after having been ducked for so long, he had the misfortune of defending against a peaking Muhammad Ali, while he himself was in his mid 30s (at best), rusty (having fought 3 rounds in 3 years), and came into the bout with a recorded shoulder injury.
    Liston cleared out his entire division as a contender, demoshing everyone, #1 contenders, gatekeepers, guys the champion would not go near, etc to try to get a crack at the Champ who'd avoided him for years, who was also an ATG. When he finally got his shot he decimated the champion in a manner nobody had done before or since including Muhammad Ali. In a rematch, to put it beyond any doubt he did it again even more decisively and easier. Arguably, the best pair of victories in the heavyweight division. Nobody before or since has ever knocked out the lineal champion back to back in the first round. I'm sorry he didn't get dropped, nearly stopped, and go life and death with a washed up ATG who hadn't fought in 2 years, and whom would've won the fight had he gone for the KO instead of boxing like his brother advised him to but I digress.
    Also, who was the one who was beaten down, decimated in their prime, and concussed by a morbidly obese chubster? Not Liston. I don't really care if you have an agenda but try not to make it so transparent.
     
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    Are you on crack again, Antman? His wingspan measured from fingertip to fingertip including his shoulders and across his chest was 84 inches. Don’t mean his jab was literally 84 inches.
     
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    My bad about the quoting my device is acting up
     
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  14. Johnny_B

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    I just saw the thread. Liston beats him. AJ ain't even the best HW right now, Fury is.
     
  15. mark ant

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    Liston`s handspeed had slowed by then.