Anthony Joshua vs The Merciless One Ray Mercer

It has every bit of relevance... How is it absurd to assume that there's not something shady going on there? Stiverne being rated as #1 is completely ridiculous. You're trying to play semantics here and it's not working. Try another day man, you've not had a good run of things in this thread.

 

How is it relevant? I've never used ABC rankings as a factor in determining my h2h rankings. ABC rankings are absolutely awful. I'm sure you can find plenty of top 3 guys in sanctioning bodies not rated in the top 10 in ring/boxrec.
"Stiverne being rated as #1 is completely ridiculous."
Yep, and I agree.
"You're trying to play semantics here and it's not working."
Not really. There's a clear difference between using Ring/Boxrec rankings and ABC rankings.
"Try another day man, you've not had a good run of things in this thread."

 

Who care's about what factors YOU use to determine your h2h rankings? Eye test and resume should be the most important thing to any true fan. Rankings of any sort are good for a formulate a basic albeit ignorant understanding of what's going on in a division, they aren't the end all be all...

Glad we agree that Stiverne being #1 is ridiculous... About that Don King fighter being rated unjustly high in recent times you were asking about earlier

There's nothing more to see here.

 

"About that Don King fighter being rated in recent times you were asking about earlier "
Nope never conceded this point. I clearly said name some Don King fighters who were unjustifiable rated top 10 on ring or boxrec. Never mentioned anything about ABC rankings. I'll take this as you conceding the point.

"Rankings of any sort are good for a formulate a basic albeit ignorant understanding of what's going on in a division, they aren't the end all be all..."

Never disagreed to this. Eye test is so subjective that I find it irrelevant to even debate about. As for resume that is something we can debate. You brought up having Chaegav ahead h2h. Around the time Stiverne fought Wilder who did he beat? He had a MD over a 40 year old Oquendo and was fighting absolutely nobodies. I think it's absolutely ridiculous to put him ahead of Stiverne around that time.

 

I mean the reason I don't like getting into these subjective debates like "h2h" rankings, is at the end of all of it we just end up agreeing to disagree and time is wasted.
Fact: Wilder has beat a top 3 rated HW according to ring/boxrec.
Opinion: Wilder has not beat a top 10 H2H heavyweight.

 

Mercer on a hot mood was a very dangerous fighter .if he gets in close AJ is in big trouble I see a similar fight to the Morrison contest.A football stadium in near silence as Mercer walks away from Joshua lay unconscious on the ring apron.

 

Mercer is a massive pain in the *** to speculate about in fantasy H2H fights and was even worse of a fighter to actually bet your own real money on. Even if he shows up in shape it still usually took him the first three to four rounds of eating absolute missiles off his face to begin fighting as he is remembered.

I think Joshua is the better overall, more technical and more versatile boxer and I think he wants it more and is easily more self-motivated, but he's also pretty much THE prototypical boxer to bring the best out of Mercer and if not fall to him either draw with him or BARELY eek one out aided by the fact he's the cash cow.

Since this is fantasy I'll go with a Joshua SD or razor tight UD, but if somehow this was real and I bet my house on Joshua -- without question Mercer's taking it.

 

The way they box and their physical dimensions couldn't be more different, but Danny Williams always reminded me of Mercer in that they both have some glaring weaknesses and always seemed to lack proper motivation and concentration until their opponent punched their head in for a bit, and then Holy Christ did the dog in them come screaming out. They didn't always win when that happened but it was pretty much a guaranteed wild dust up, and usually when they won it was after you dropped your life savings on their opponent and the western world sat and stared helplessly at the TV as all hell proceeded to break loose. So in a weird way they weren't always liked/loved or appreciated by boxing fans because they bankrupted so many of them, but were two of the more grudgingly respected fighters I've seen. Nigel Benn was another one like that but at least to me seemed more consistently focused and motivated in between fights.

 

Damiani never gassed. He was outboxing Mercer until Mercer turned his nose around 90'. Ray could punch a bit.

 

Imma stick to the topic since you can't, lmao.
I know that he beats the living **** out of Joshua.

 

Yes Blizzy, I've stated several times in this thread that prime Mercer on a good day beats Joshua. Can you read? HAHAHAHAHA HEADVETKIN **** **** Huck FOH. Hearn **** **** Whyte is a bum! ****

 

Mercer doesn't need a "good day" to ko Joshua's out of condition stiff ass. But at least you almost stayed on topic. When cornered, we all see how you answer posts, lmao.

 

mercer was a genuine hard man / blew hot and cold / when in the mood could give all the heavys a hard fight

but equally he coulkd get lazy/disintrested and fat

he was best when up for it and had an opponent who came at him / like a joshua / at his worst when he had to go looking for his opponent / ala holmes and damiani

he was a styles make fights fighter /

he would give joshua a war IMO but be easily outboxed and befuddled by the fury that fought wlad.

 

Mercer would get pummeled and you would see his first knockout way before Wlad gave him one.

 

Mercer if the drug testing is fair and square. Joshua if he gets a pass and Mercer gets tested like how all Joshua fights are handled.