Anthony Joshua would have knocked out Mike Tyson: Larry Holmes

That's rich coming from a John Thomas.

 

Yes, prior to that you were11.5lbs incorrect.

 

Comparing weight differences between heavyweights as if it's akin to the differences in lower divisions is one of the silliest things i have ever seen in my life.

Even sillier is that you run around here daily trying to pump up the weights of your faves e.g. Joe Louis to make differences smaller vs mythical matches vs bigger opponents then you tell us it doesn't matter Joe would beat X or Y.

Yet it's an unfair advantage for Joshua to be 18 1/2 pounds heavier LOL

Seriously.

 

Hey, I am just pointing out the contradiction actually. Weight is either the be all and end all or it isn't. I think it isn't. But if Some give ATG fighters absolutely no chance against any modern Super heavyweight entirely due to size then what is unreasonable about mentioning the weight differential between an unfancied underdog and a champion?

What's good for the goose..

 

You were incorrect about the 6lb too.

 

Wilder can show up 30lb lighter than AJ and I’m sure he’ll KO him.

Having said that, people are extrapolating too much from the AJ Takam fight. Takam fought bravely, he was fully alert, opposite of lazy. AJ took more shots than he would’ve liked. But like Chok said, you won’t look as dominant when you step up. AJ still got through with his battering ram punches, and did some serious damage to Takam. And he learned a lot in that fight.

Klitschko got knocked out a couple times before he found his consistency at championship level. Joshua just got into a decent scrap with a shorter guy.

 

I don't think Joshua gets enough credit here for the Wlad win.

Yes, Wlad was 41 and hadn't had a fight for some 1,5 years (but had had almost three full training camps during that period), but you can't get so lost in the theoretical parameters that you don't look at what you have right in front of you. Wlad showed great stamina bouncing around like he did for almost 10 rds and his timing and speed was also top notch. In all these departments he was actually equal to the much younger and much less shopworn Joshua, to go with much more experience.

The crucial difference in Joshua's favor was that he put punches together much better. He also went to the body and slipped and countered more than Wlad (who didn't do any of those things), but I don't think that made a crucial difference in this case.

It wasn't peak Wlad, of course, but a damn good version who managed to roll back the years for one night.

 

He managed to roll it all the way back to 1998 perhaps, when he was knocked out in 11 by Ross Purrity.

 

If he's not getting credit for that fight, I don't know where he'd be getting any credit from.
The Takam fight now, maybe.

The Wladimir fight was an excellent display of determination and proved Joshua a world class fighter, in my opinion. Joshua's stock went up plenty with that fight.
Wladimir was still very good and had a huge advantage in experience.
I think everyone gives Joshua tons of credit for that one. They ought to.

 

Didn't you just contradict yourself? Mike never came back from being hurt, Mike was hurt against Bruno.

AJ is a paper champ in a weak era of HW boxing. I don't think he would survive 3 rounds with that chin against Tyson. Then he gasses so if he spent energy surviving the early onslaught he'd be taken out later.

 

I take some comfort in that you don't really believe this.

 

Comparing the Wlad against Joshua with the one against Purrity, as you did, is an excellent example of not giving Joshua due credit for the win.

 

He was stunned but never on the brink of defeat, Big difference.

 

Of course not. Different Wladimir. Same result though.

 

It was a joke.

You're the one who said he "rolled back the years". Well, he got knocked the **** out, so he must've rolled back to a wrong year.

He didn't roll back anything, in my opinion.
Wladimir's always kept himself in shape. He was very good for a 41 year-old but he was no better than the Wladimir we'd seen over recent years, and realistically a little less good.