Anthony Joshua's body just screams roids

We agree to disagree. I've seen plenty of examples of athletes that were physical specimens who were clean. Some believe it or not didn't even eat meat like that. So I know what is possible from personal experience as well as observations of, and work that I've done with others. Let's not forget Joshua's sporadic gas tank, if he puts a bit of effort into a few rounds. You are acting like he's Lance Armstrong in there or something. You are completely wrong regarding the body fat, and you are starting to make yourself look foolish.

 

Nobody has addressed why his static strength levels arent thru the roof if hes on PEDs

 

Plus, if AJ were on steroids, why doesn't he focus on PEDs which enhance stamina instead of taking muscle inducing PEDs? His stamina is horrific.

 

PEDs are not going to turn you into a freak or marathon runner. They enhance what you have and allow you to surpass your genetic limit, but not by as much as you think. It's already freakish to be able to go 12 rounds carrying that much muscle.

I've known guys who can run half marathons but gas out in 3 round amateurs. Being able to go 12 rounds with decent punch output requires freakish stamina. It's not as easy as you think.

 

Every boxer should be on roids. What are we some commission that tells people what to put in their body? We are fans we want the best boxer possible. Roids help.

 

A friend of mine made what seemed like a ridiculous point in claiming that you can get in great shape naturally. His argument was simple; look at old Greek sculptures! I know, it’s silly. Ridiculous. Madness! However, it makes perfect sense. For those that think having a figure like Joshua’s is impossible without PEDS, just look at old Greek sculptures. They’re clearly based from models/people that the artist has seen, that cannot be disputed, surely. Now, I’m confident that PEDS weren’t a thing back then.

 

This is a flawed argument because the sculptures were works of art that was meant to portray the ideal aesthetics. In other words the sculpter sculpted the statues based on what they considered ideal, not a 1:1 portrait of the model they used.

The argument is how difficult it is to build such mass while staying lean while training for 12 rounders and being a lanky 6'6. There is a natural vs unnatural case to be made too if he was just a bodybuilder and not a boxer. You'd have to hop on a steroid cycle and box while lifting yourself to see how difficult it is.

 

Their genitalia were portrayed unnaturally small because that was the beauty ideal back then...if those sculptors went through the trouble of adjusting their johnson and ball sack up to the point where it becomes ridiculous, what do you think they did when it came to the rest of the beauty ideal with big shoulders and arms?

I don't think they had their models skinny dipping in ice water before posing

 

Quoted the wrong dude lol...see below

 

I've been thinking something along those lines for a while now. Just let it be known beforehand...everyone here is gonna be juiced to the GILLS. Compete clean at your own risk lol. Also, with advancing technology...it's only a matter of time before someone shows up with a bionic limb and wants to fight in MMA and you know Goddamn well the PC douchebags running everything will call it discrimination against cripples or something if we don't allow it. So then we'll have dudes with terminator limbs involved. You damn well BETTER be roided up for that.

 

There were plenty of photos of athletes before 1950, enough for at least one of them to prove your point. I suspect you're having difficulty finding examples not because of technological or sociological factors but due to the fact that your statement wasn't valid in the first place.

I'll try to help you out though. Ever heard of Melvin Wells? He was a great example of a natural AA bodybuilder who just about falls within the timeframe, and certainly had the type of development whose validity many people would jump the gun on if he was around in today.

https://www.strength-oldschool.com/blogs/news/marvelous-melvin-wells

However, there are a few things to consider. Firstly, he wasn't a boxer, and thus could divert all his efforts into bodybuilding. Secondly he wasn't a huge guy; smaller men on average have better potential for aesthetic development, hence why the majority of Mr Olympias are well under six feet.

The fact that Joshua is six feet six, a world class boxer, and still has time to look like a full-time bodybuilder from the 40s when literally no other HWs from that era or before that looked remotely like him should raise some massive questions. You can choose to ignore them if you want, but at least understand why they're being asked in the first place.

 

Is Mark Rippetoe completely wrong about this as well? What about all the other world class powerlifting coaches around the world? If you gain muscle you'll gain some fat; if you lose fat you'll lose some muscle. It's not a fifty-fifty ratio, but it operates to some degree whoever you are and whatever you do. That's why large increases in muscle mass while remaining lean as f*** is so suspicious. It goes against human physiognomy.

Your examples of athletes that achieved amazing results while clean, did you live with them? Did you monitor them twenty four hours a day? Anyone can say anything, and in the sports and fitness world they frequently do. Rampant BS and self-delusion are par for the course.

 

Were Lance Armstrong's static strength level through the roof? Silly point.

 

No it's not. That's one aspect of my statement you've seized upon and run away with. Have fun with it.