Anthony Joshua's body just screams roids

Trade off. He could gain some stamina by losing some muscle mass and reducing his oxygen demand, but then he'd lose some power and explosiveness which would affect his performance in the ring and force him to adopt different strategies.

Besides, who knows that he isn't already taking EPO or some equivalent? It's already freakish enough that he's able to fight at such a high intensity for twelve rounds carrying around that amount of LMM.

 

I know a guy who uses EPO in amateur bike races. It's very wide-spread IMO. I don't know how good the existing PED tests catch it though. In local amateur races there are no tests. Is VADA technically able to detect it?

 

Was Bruno on the roids?

 

Yes, there are tests that can and do catch EPO. EPO raises your red blood cell count and it’s your RBCs that help transport oxygen and thereby improving stamina. Another way of increasing your RBCs is by injecting blood into yourself (preferably your own), but this method is logistically much harder. WADA standards for athletes are a hematocrit level of 50. Any athlete with a hematocrit level of 50 is assumed to be blood doping. So an athlete can trip the wire with a higher than 50 hematocrit level and / or by testing positive for EPO.

 

I'd cite myself as an example and say yes.

 

On the surface you are correct, but if no such physiques existed back in those days, then how would any artist be able to sculpt muscle development with such accuracy? As we know, when muscles develop through bodybuilding they do so in what you might describe as unnatural. This aesthetic ideal that you describe must come from a reference point. And if no such figures existed, or anything close to it, then I must say that the artists that sculpted them have scarily accurate knowledge of muscle development. I would suggest that you view some of these statues.

Keep in mind that I understand your argument, but I just disagree with it, or more accurately the finality of it.

 

As an artist you can sketch and model but make certain features bigger or smaller as you wish. If you want a more realistic portrayal then look at 1800s bodybuilders (who only lifted weights). These guys looked pretty good but you can see they lack the same look as modern enhanced bodybuilders these days.

It's also important to note the average testosterone levels in the 1800s were much higher than modern times. Also note that in the 1800s cocaine was widely available and used, which is pretty good at burning fat.

 

We need to put an end to this. Yes, Joshua may be on peds. But yes, getting a figure like his without ped use is possible.

It’s lazy to think otherwise. You only need to look at people like Bobby Pandour (born 1876) or Dan Lurie (born 1923) to know this.

 

if he was cheating the system,id say he would be looking to increase his stamina not his size. Really the only big bodypart is his arms which could be the result of heavy weight training them. His physique whilst impressive is achievable naturally imo. His strength which may or may not be portrayed accurately on youtube is terrific for a guy that does sparring and cardio but imo,thats possible to achieve naturally.

 

Neither of them look as impressive as Joshua while being much shorter and pure weightlifters, nor do they have as much fullness. But yes this is getting old.

 

It really doesnt

 

lol noones really shifted their viewpoint despite some strong arguments on both sides. Ive shifted a bit to possible blood doping as it is phenomenal that he can box 12 rounds at a good pace whilst being that size...

 

id cite myself as an example too,i worked a fairly intensive manual labour job,had the eating habits of a clown,and still was able to achieve international honours in masters powerlifting. Joshua is paid huge amounts of money to train multiple times a day,has the best strength and conditioning knowledge behind him,so even though its outstanding im sure it can be done without PEDs.

 

I recall endless threads on the bodybuilding.com forums of people being "100% sure" Brad Pitt had to be on steroids in Fight Club because "he was so ripped".

Casuals really can't handle the fact that low body fat is achievable with and without PEDs.

 

Have a look at the old pictures of Bruno. He was bigger than Joshua. Is everyone with a decent rig on roids?