Anthony Joshuas Legacy

There’s 3 quotes of you quoting compubox to try and force your point so you obviously think it matters for something.

There’s actually 6 pages worth of your nonsense but I couldn’t be bothered linking anymore quotes.

 

based on what? He was given opportunities other fighters did not have. Miller actually did better against Dubois and Ruiz. Joyce did better against Dubois, etc

 

@catchwtboxing
Was going to reply but this guy got there first

I watched bowe box, I grew up in the era. He would 100% absolutely beat Aj and he beat a better fighter than usyk twice in his prime in one of the great trilogies

 

Bowe had a good jab and at this point even better defense. In the end he still had more heart and didn't freeze like a deer in the headlight when he was hurt. He was great at dismantling guards when he got his opponents cornered. It's all debatable really, but to me no. To me Bowe is greater because losses count

 

We aren't talking about who could beat who...we are talking about standing in history. Bowe's reign was pathetic. Since Bowe got the better single win, they are in a similar place.

By the way, you may have watched Bowe, but you never say him fight a puncher of Joshua's caliber...because he never did. He was steered from punchers. So a lot of how good he was is conjecture and perception.

 

top 40 all time

 

If his jab was all that great, then he wouldn't have had to prove what a great infighter he was against diminutive opponents.

And you aer still aguing a moot point. We are talking about Bowe's standing in history, which is comparable to Joshua's, since he had a pitiful title reign. That isn't going to change.

 

Bowe did not fight any notable punchers - Morrison, Mercer, Lewis, Tyson, Ruddock etc. None. Joshua may not have a win as good as Holyfield but i respect Joshua's career a lot more.

 

So he didn't have a good jab because he was excellent in the pocket ? This is nonesense what the hell am I reading.

You can rate aj however you want

But I'll always pick Bowe over the man who got smoked by Dubois in his prime. Bowe did better against Golota by actually winning some rounds and he was a career heaviest and getting his balls punched off.

 

And who has Joshua beat?
I thought it was quality over quantity? Otherwise your favourite fighter is rubbish compared to true greats, as he has hardly had many pro fights

Two wins over a prime holy is much better than anything Aj or Fury for that matter has achieved

I know Bowe could have done a lot more and his ducking of Lewis is shameful. But 2 wins over Holy (could have been 3) s..ts all over Aj and Fury If we are being fair resumes

I'm happy to rate Usyk along with bowe at Heavy, maybe Fury because he did beat a reigning wlad, but not Aj

 

A very good heavyweight, but not great. He beat some solid fighters (even if some weren't at their best) and was a unified champion. That's pretty impressive. But he couldn't adapt to certain styles and had a slight vulnerability about him.
Out of the ring he generally carried himself well and really helped to boost the popularity of British boxing.
He's probably top 3 or 4 of his generation. I'm not sure I could place him on an ATG list. But he certainly has had a career to be proud of, even if he didn't quite ultimately hit the lofty targets he set for himself.

 

Those (old versions of Klitschko and Povetkin, 2018 Parker, Ruiz ) are close to the types of opponents Bowe beat who weren't named Holyfield.
Bowe's two wins over Holyfield pull him way out in front. Herbie Hide and Jorge Luis Gonzalez would be hyped up as most serious threats if they'd be around as AJ challengers. If we remove the 'pay per view' hype and the alphabet rankings and just look at the ability and form of the challengers AJ faced, they were much the same as the unimpressive guys Bowe gets stick for beating.

 

Gonzalez was literally Hrgovic of the 90s. Undefeated prospect before Bowe smashed him

 

Based on his body of work. He defeated multiple Top 10 contenders.

 

Ali was not a light puncher. He buckled Liston's knees in round 1. Liston was highly durable.

Ali repeatedly hurt iron jawed Foreman. The same Foreman who went the distance vs Morrison and Holyfield despite taking lots of shots in the later fight.

Ali was at least as hard a puncher as Usyk. At least.