Anthony Joshua's new opponent will be decided Today.

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The advantage of Helenius is that none of the other fights on the card would be sacrificed or modified.

    The disadvantage of Helenius is that Joshua's performance will inevitably compared to Wilder's and anything other than a 1st round KO will be seen increasingly as a disappointment. So there's the likely criticism, the increased pressure and Helenius is a hard puncher.
     
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  2. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Then again Wilder is known for his amazing early knock outs. I dont think middle round later round finnish would look bad at all. Would prefer this fight so get others in card also
     
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  3. Redbeard7

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    Sure but Joshua will take the criticism to heart and lose confidence if he doesn't stop Helenius early. Same thing happened when Wilder sparked mutual opponent Breazeale in 1, Joshua said it increased pressure on him before the first Ruiz fight. May have been a contributing factor to his loss, overeager to finish Ruiz early.
     
  4. African Cobra

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    I don’t know if you are aware but Hrgovic has had a camp preparing to face a southpaw on Saturday.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Yes, I am aware.
     
  6. African Cobra

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    Okay so you understand my comments about him not being prepared to face AJ on Saturday.
     
  7. McGrain

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    Why do you keep quoting me about this? I've tried to extract myself from this conversation with you so many times and you just won't let it go.

    Do you think Hrgovic would have agreed to fight Anthony Joshua on Saturday for one billion dollars? I will tell you the answer. The answer is "yes". What do we deduce from this information? We deduce that Hrgovic has a price. Was this price explored by Eddie Hearn? It appears that it was not. Do you know why it was not? Is there any corner in your mind that considers the possibility that Eddie and AJ don't want Hrgovic to fight AJ?

    This idea that if you "prepare for a southpaw" it's the same as if you had prepared for an orthodox fighter and then fought a southpaw is absolutely shameless, made-up garbage. Hrgovic has been fighting orthodox fighters all his life. 95% of the spars he has ever had, in his life, have been against orthodox. It is not the same in any way shape or form. He had a week to get limbered up for an orthodox and I absolutely guarantee you with no possibility of contradiction that he would have been fine on the orthodox "problem".

    However - as I have told you three ****ing times...if Hrgovic didn't want the fight after talking with Eddie, that will come out and I'll be very interested to read it - because it would excuse AJ not fighting Hrgovic completely and call into question the fighting spirit of Hrgovic instead.

    It would not, however, excuse AJ for deciding to fight Helenius, given that there is a man on the undercard, ready to fight, who wanted to fight AJ, who has already poleaxed Helenius :lol: Crazy.

    The choice of opponent reflects badly on AJ's state of mind IMO. I predicted at the start that they would try to foist the worst possible opponent the British public would accept upon us, and I have been proven right.
     
  8. African Cobra

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    I think you are wrong but you are entitled to your opinion.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Wrong about what? Wrong that Hrgovic would fight AJ for a billion dollars? You think i'm right about that or you need help.

    Wrong that this means Hrgovic has a price? That's only logic, it follows, is irrefutable. You think i'm right about that.

    Wrong that Eddie didn't try to get Hrgovic to fight Eddie? You think i'm wrong about that? There's a small chance you are right about that but as I said "if Hrgovic didn't want the fight after talking with Eddie, that will come out and I'll be very interested to read it". So you agree with me there too, in a round about way.

    Wrong that preparing for a southpaw then fighting an orthodox is vastly preferable to preparing for an orthodox and fighting a southpaw? It is possible you know little enough about boxing to feel this way i suppose, but it would surprise me tbh. You probably agree with me here.

    Wrong that Washington poleaxed Helenius?
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    Wrong that Washington wanted the fight with AJ?
    https://www.badlefthook.com/2023/8/...-call-to-face-anthony-joshua-boxing-news-2023

    No, you agree with me. But it's impossible for you to say so publicly. I wonder why.
     
  10. African Cobra

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    We have exhausted this discussion. This is not the time for AJ vs Hrgovic in these circumstances period!