Anthony Oluwafemi Joshua vs. Joseph Dennis Parker - the standalone IB RBR scorecard.

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  1. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I generally agree with your scorecards but you have a tremendous bias against Joshua here. You could argue 4 rounds for Parker maximum.
     
  2. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Have you considered that your card is the bad one? To give Parker 5 of the first 6 rounds is ridiculous.
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'm biased against the guy I scored as deserving to retain his title?

    The ninth seems to be a unanimous Parker round on every card I've seen, even ones that had it wide for Joshua.

    So your issue would be with the period that Parker swept on my card, the second through sixth? Okay. Let's unpack that. In any of those 5, what specifically did Joshua do, with his defense & offense, to negate Parker's effectiveness and surpass it with his own?

    In each round. Be specific. The onus is upon you to prove your point, since you're calling out my card as "tremendously biased" when I'm literally repping the median of all the extremes floating around in the wake of this close-throughout fight.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Again, the onus is on you to put forth a complete RBR scorecard with detailed breakdowns/justifications for each round.

    Most seem to agree that Parker did his best work in the 1st half and that most of those rounds were close. Most also seem to agree that Joshua, outside the 9th, took advantage in the second half of Parker bottling up, lowering his body shot and jab output, and moving/defending less nimbly than he did early.

    If you can provide a scorecard w/ logical explanations that both stays within the confines of that narrative (accepted with near acclamation in the community) and somehow deviates enough from mine to be significant, then we can revisit your claims that my card is ridiculous.

    If you didn't think most of the rounds in the first half were close, I have to question whether or not you even score body shots.
     
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  5. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Had the first round a draw. Virtually impossible to split 'em, so I didn't. Second was very close and cagey, but I thought AJ's right hands to the body were the best punches landed. Thought AJ carried the third and fourth, too-4th quite clearly.

    Parker then begin to assert himself and win the next three on the spin to get himself into the fight. AJ righted the ship and won the 8th, and then I thought Parker just edged a close, messy ninth.

    Then AJ got the jab untracked again and won the last three.

    116-113 AJ.

    I mean, I guess you can get to 114-114, but I think you're giving Parker a more than reasonable benefit of the doubt in all the close rounds. But Parker quite clearly won more than the judges gave him, so there is that.

    It lookedlike a competitive but clear decision for Joshua-and that's what my card reflects.
     
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  6. Baneofthegame

    Baneofthegame Active Member Full Member

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    I'm going to give it a go when I get home from work assuming my kids let me which is probably unlikely.

    But perhaps in my drunken state I watched a different fight (which is possible) but I remember 1-4 being close which I gave 3-1 to AJ, 5+6 to Parker, 7 10-10/10-9 Parker, 8 AJ, 9 Parker, 10-12 AJ.

    So either 7-4-1 or 7-5 116-113/115-113
     
  7. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

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    Steve Farhood gave the first 4 to Joshua. Let me guess. He was just pushing agenda. Sure the official judges did as well. There’s 4 of us so far.

    Don’t talk about being an experienced scorer. This is twice now I’ve witnessed you give asinine rounds that were clear for one fighter to the other guy. You’re Canelo/Triple card was hilarious. You gave Golovkin rounds 2 and 3 when even people that had Golovkin winning gave Canelo those rounds. I already called you out on round 4 for AJ Parker. Everyone pretty much gave that round to AJ. Not sure what your criteria is there. Like I told your fellow mod. Write an article on the corruption of scoring and defend your draw for this fight. You’re going to be a laughing stock and this forum will lose even more credibility.

    Hell. Go post your score on twitter or something. I’ve not seen no one other than here at ESB claim Parker was robbed or got a draw other than wilder who retracted his original post then came out with another video lmao

    Yes I’m aware my math was screwed up. My baby boy kept distracting me while I was doing the math but my score lines up not only with the judges but most sane people.

    In conclusion, both guys fought a negative fight but AJ actually was landing while you guys were giving Parker credit for effort. A draw is an asinine conclusion so really you don’t have room to talk bro.

    I’ll give my detailed analysis of the first 4 tomorrow or something. I dm’ed you the scenes scorecard as well. They also gave AJ the first 4. It’s getting late here and i have to get up very early tomorrow.
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

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    I agree with every word of this except calling it terrible. I am in fact actually happy (and in the minority that is happy, I know) to see two guys that were supposed to KO each other instead come to a standstill by unveiling defensive skills nobody realized they had, and stalemating.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    As for "everybody" giving Joshua the 4th, let's see...

    (Pimp had 2-1 Parker after three, ergo that's a 10-9 Joshua round on his card)

    (40-36 Parker on the GTH scorecard)

    (lobk had 2-1 Parker after three, ergo that's a 10-9 Joshua round on his card)

    (The Akbar One had 2-1 Joshua after three, ergo that's a 10-9 Joshua round on his card)

    (David B had 2-1 Parker after three, ergo that's a 10-9 Joshua round on his card)

    (Franklin Dallas had 2-1 Parker after three, ergo that's a 10-9 Parker round on his card)

    (drenlou had 2-1 Joshua after three, ergo that's a 10-9 Parker round on his card)


    10-3 from a selection of disparate posters in the RBR thread all posting their scorecards throughout. 77% of people gave Joshua the fourth. That isn't "everybody". Throw in my card and that is 10-4. CST80 flagged the round as close, nudge his over to Parker's side and you have 10-5, meaning a third of scorers dissented with the majority.

    So if you want to gaslight me and play the cognitive dissonance card, you're going to have to come a little more correct. Because I don't happen to believe that GlaukosTheHammer, Franklin Dallas and drenlou all DKSAB. Nor do I think I myself DKSAB. Nor do I think any of the aforementioned 10 who scored it for Joshua themselves DKSAB. I can see why they scored it for Joshua. I disagree with them, but I don't think less of them (or their scoring ability) for it. That just means they probably were, IMO, crediting a bit too much of Joshua's work and ignoring a bit too much of Parker's.
     
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  10. GlaukosTheHammer

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    DKSAB?
     
  11. IntentionalButt

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  12. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :lol: Thanks bud


    In my honest opinion, fan scoring is one of the most useless practices we do. No one gives a ****. Not just no one gives a **** because we're unimportant, no one gives a **** because the bias of the judges is ****in' codified. Hence " it's all in what the judges are looking for". Equally, crying about scores is usually pretty dumb and petty.

    I was all hyped up on them Headbangerz. I went full bias, and unless AJ was doing something I handed every round to Parker without a moment's thought until the ref snapped me out of my good times and pissed me off something mighty fierce.

    I'm getting all pissed off again just thinking about the ****er....god damn would I have leaped a ****in' mile had someone chaired that *****. If ever I needed Stone Cold to kick a man in the dick, flip the fingers, and chug some beers to lighten my sour mood it was on that night.

    Ref had me so god damned salted I was hoping a good JP or AJ punch would land on his ass. Let one of them biggens show that mother ****er why you let them do work when they're trying to do work....for ****'s sake.
     
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  13. NakiFan

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    It just seems people don't take into account body shots as scoring shots...
     
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  14. Manu Vatuvei

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    Seems to me like the big point of difference between the close scores and the wide scores is the first 4 rounds. Most of us seem to agree Parker won a round or three in the middle and Joshua got all or most of the late rounds. I’ve heard literally every possible score for the first 4 though, and that’s where you get your 114-114s and your 118-110s.

    Personally I had it 2-2 after 4 but I may have been (ironically) biased towards AJ because I’m a cynical Parker fan and I was factoring in likely bias towards AJ by the judges.

    Watching the British commentary I was confronted by the cognitive dissonance of Joshua basically walking forward and posing a lot while being lauded for his ‘control’. Parker was coming up short repeatedly but it was the definition of ‘better than nothing’.

    The same people criticising Parker for staying out of range and coming up short with his punches aren’t criticising AJ for also failing to get in range and land anything, particularly early on. Parker may have been obliged to ‘take the risk’ due to assumed external factors influencing the scoring, but we don’t have to account for that scoring at home!
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    This is something people do that I don't understand. You're supposed to score the round, in a vacuum, not tailor your score to what you think might be on the official judges' cards. The object isn't to have a card that most closely mirrors the aggregate of theirs in the end (nobody's handing out any prizes if you do); the object is to correctly score the fight (whether or not they do, or anybody else does) just for yourself for posterity. I've never understood why people factor in what somebody else might be scoring into their own personal card. :nusenuse: